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Post by Jon on Apr 10, 2022 17:52:51 GMT
I’m just so bummed that they still have not placed it at 9 PM PRIME TIME LIVE! Just like the BAFTAs and the Tony Awards. I wish the broadcast rights will be with the BBC again in the coming years. ITV is a great channel but BBC has the brand recall globally. I think they will stream the ceremony on YouTube for non-UK viewers but I wish the Oliviers should live up to the prestige the awards carries. Support for live theatre is really needed. There is a reason it’s never going to get a 9pm slot, it would rate very badly. ITV did show the Oliviers highlights in prime time a few years back and it bombed.
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Post by sph on Apr 10, 2022 18:42:51 GMT
I can imagine it would bomb tbh. Does anyone outside of London or the theatre industry even really know about them? If you're living up North somewhere and not a theatregoer you're hardly going to care who's winning best actor in a West End play.
When I was a kid up North, I was aware that there were shows in London, but only heard of the big musicals that everyone knew, I certainly didn't know anyone invested enough to watch the Oliviers. Seeing a national tour that came to your local was about as theatrical as it got.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2022 18:52:10 GMT
People barely care about the Oscars etc now, and movies are much more easily accessible. The Oliviers are a very niche awards.
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Post by d'James on Apr 10, 2022 22:05:52 GMT
Like of Pi was a bore. Then, so was the film.
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Post by karloscar on Apr 10, 2022 22:27:46 GMT
Shoot the director/camera operators! Why do they insist on zooming irrationally and incessantly when any music is on TV. Ruined the Anything Goes choreography and was totally disrespectful to the Ukrainian opera star.
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Post by marob on Apr 10, 2022 22:42:20 GMT
Yes, I hate the way they edit music/dance performances on TV. The Anything Goes bit would have looked quite cool with them all moving in unison, but no, they cut to various shots as far away from the stage as possible.
What I’ve seen so far hasn’t made me want to book the shows I haven’t seen. Life of Pi left me cold, and I’ve never been into Bob Marley.
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Post by karloscar on Apr 10, 2022 23:05:42 GMT
And how insulting to shove Liz Carr into the here's one we made earlier section. She probably had far more interesting things to say than just about anyone else who was allowed to waffle on forever (Eddie!).
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Apr 10, 2022 23:12:24 GMT
And how insulting to shove Liz Carr into the here's one we made earlier section. She probably had far more interesting things to say than just about anyone else who was allowed to waffle on forever (Eddie!). Seriously! Not a great look to give the disabled actor a less prominent spot while she makes a speech about disabled actors deserving to be given the same opportunities as non-disabled actors.
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Post by circelily on Apr 10, 2022 23:21:52 GMT
Based on the performances on the show tonight, Moulin Rouge and Get Up Stand Up both look like mood enhancers.
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Apr 10, 2022 23:34:55 GMT
I was there in person - and Moulin Rouge, Get Up Stand Up as well as Frozen were outstanding! Some very moving speeches I thought too. Life of Pi people/supporters sat behind me and a great night for them. (Cabaret too...) I only got home around an hour ago so will probably watch the TV 'version' but I'm sad already to hear about Liz Carr. Her speech was brilliant!
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Post by Rory on Apr 10, 2022 23:48:37 GMT
Was a great celebration of having theatre back and it's great to have the awards showcase back. But we need more good plays for next year.
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Post by marob on Apr 10, 2022 23:51:25 GMT
Nice to see Spring Awakening reunited on there, since they had to finish their run early (and I didn’t get to see it.) Looked like it got a muted reception compared to the other performances though.
Also, it’s a bit weird that I saw the best ‘new’ musical over two years ago. Is it not technically a revival of the 2020 Manchester production? I know covid made the gap between the transfer a lot longer than it would have otherwise been, but still… it ain’t new. Just new to London, which I guess is all that matters.
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Post by minion on Apr 11, 2022 4:50:53 GMT
So two people got added to the list of people having acting wins in both musical and play categories : Sheila Atim and Eddie Redmayne.
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Post by teamyali on Apr 11, 2022 6:46:45 GMT
The Oliviers this year, stats and other analysis and opinions:
- This season has all first time nominees in every performer category, and each also has a non-white performer nominated.
- Hiran Abeysekera is the first non-white actor since Chiwetel Ejiofor in 2008 to win Best Actor in a Play. I emphasize on race/ethnicity because the nominees in the drama categories are more often than not, white. Since Arinzé Kene was nominated for Best Actor in 2019, it has been 3 consecutive years/seasons that a non-white actor is nominated in the said category. While I would have love Ben Daniels to win his much-deserved second Olivier, I suspect he and Charles Edwards split votes, even if they are not in the same show, given they do have somewhat a similar profile as actors - that is, great character actors who bloom late on getting more plum leading roles. Hiran being the underdog/dark horse could have played on that factor.
- Most of the winners are productions which are lush, epic, at times dark, but mostly with some glimmer of hope in their themes. They may like topical plays about a pandemic performed during another pandemic or a Black actress taking on Shakespeare, they would rather reward an Austen comedy or Life of Pi. Even Cabaret is doom and gloom, but it is opulent doom and gloom, not austere.
- I just love the fact that subsidised theatres dominate the drama categories (even Life of Pi was from Sheffield before getting to the West End) given the pandemic, but it seems the audiences at the RAH aren’t really warming up to them? Aren’t subsidised productions sometimes more superior in quality than what is available at the West End? I guess that at the end of the day, awards shows are borderline narcissists and just use it for PR.
- Given that Cabaret won 7 awards out of 11 nominations, there are talks of a Broadway transfer. No show has really done sweeping all 4 acting category like this, I think? I would also count on Life of Pi’s potential Broadway chances. I hope they keep Hiran and the puppeteers for the Broadway transfer, unless the US equity intervenes.
- Macbeth aside, the Best Revival contenders are from the most contemporary works, Constellations which was from 2012, A Number dates back to 2002, and The Normal Heart was written in 1985. Constellations and The Normal Heart were both nominated for Best New Play at the Oliviers.
- The Critics Circle Theatre Awards really has ~taste~. I mean, this is the year their winners didn’t match to win the Oliviers, except for Jessie Buckley, Rebecca Frecknall, and Igor Memic who wrote Old Bridge, which won the Affiliate Award. The Circle even picked Spring Awakening over Cabaret for Best Musical!
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Post by alece10 on Apr 11, 2022 9:15:24 GMT
And Kerry Ellis can certainly tap!
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Post by poster J on Apr 11, 2022 9:26:43 GMT
And Kerry Ellis can certainly tap! I don't know anything about tap dancing but I thought she looked like she was struggling a bit, particularly in her solo bits. Mind you, I thought Sutton Foster always looked like she wasn't putting much effort in so maybe it's supposed to look that way.
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Post by alece10 on Apr 11, 2022 9:44:26 GMT
And Kerry Ellis can certainly tap! I don't know anything about tap dancing but I thought she looked like she was struggling a bit, particularly in her solo bits. Mind you, I thought Sutton Foster always looked like she wasn't putting much effort in so maybe it's supposed to look that way. A lot of people doubted Kerry could dance at all which is clearly not the case hence my comment.
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Apr 11, 2022 9:54:43 GMT
^ She was amazing! Singing through the whole ensemble when that's when Reno is meant to have a breather and then BELTING THAT NOTE. Fair play. Hope the Anything Goes new cast have an amazing first preview in Bristol tonight.
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Post by sfsusan on Apr 11, 2022 10:57:08 GMT
but still… it ain’t new. Just new to London, which I guess is all that matters. Ironically, Playbill starts an article about this production with "A London revival of Steven Sater and Duncan Sheik’s Tony-winning musical Spring Awakening opens December 17 at the Almeida Theatre."
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Post by Mark on Apr 11, 2022 11:04:32 GMT
Curious that Constellations won best Revival when I believe it is the same physical production as the original?
Also, I don’t think anyone would have predicted cabaret to take all four acting awards. I thought Carly Mercedes Dyer and Hugh Coales would take those (although the un-nominated Stuart Thompson was giving the best supporting performance in a musical this season)
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Post by mkb on Apr 11, 2022 11:59:30 GMT
Whether it's film or theatre, I see increasingly little correlation between awards and genuinely outstanding talent/performances.
That said, I can't comment on how deserving Cabaret is, as I chose not to see it. That the industry is venerating a show where a stalls seat requires a second mortgage, I find pretty distasteful. Let's not pretend this show, or others with increasingly high ticket prices for any decent view, embrace inclusivity; people on low incomes are firmly excluded.
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Post by jojo on Apr 11, 2022 13:52:22 GMT
Not seen it either, so this is no comment on those involved, but it would be remarkable if the absolutely best performances in all four categories happened to come from the same production. It's not so much that it would be a coincidence. A quality production casts great people, and gives them good direction and allows plenty of rehearsal time. I understand Cabaret had a longer than normal rehearsal time, which all helps bring out the best in already talented actors.
More likely it's the people who get to vote are as human as the rest of us and they get caught up in the emotion of a great overall show and experience, and that carries over into how they vote. It reminds me of the pop music awards when the pop music fans vote for their favourite in every category, including Best Hair.
I'd argue that it's always been that way, and it just becomes more obvious as you get older, but when the costs of a slick production, with slick PR, is reflected in ticket prices that are eye-watering, then it questions how much of an award for singing and acting is for the singing and acting, and whether excellent singing and acting in more humble surroundings can compete. If actors are picking parts based on what is most likely to get them an award, will they insist on ever more lavish productions?
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Post by caa on Apr 11, 2022 14:32:05 GMT
I'm glad for the award winners, but I must admit to feeling so what!
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Post by alece10 on Apr 11, 2022 17:19:46 GMT
Daftest comment just now on London Tonight. "Coming up, how the west end was the big winner at the Oliviers". Considering the awards are for West end shows its no wonder it was the big winner!!
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Post by Rory on Apr 11, 2022 17:20:23 GMT
I love Moulin Rouge but they always do the same routine in these shows. They should mix it up a bit.
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Post by jojo on Apr 11, 2022 18:38:49 GMT
I love Moulin Rouge but they always do the same routine in these shows. They should mix it up a bit. If I weren't already familiar with the story I'd assume it was a sex show based on last night's performance. My recording ended just as the award for outstanding achievement in Opera was shown. Was that the end? I fully understand the need to edit things down for tv, but I don't think the 'also awarded' bit worked well. Too many not that interesting speeches in a row that didn't tell me anything about the production or performance that was being rewarded. I had to peer at the screen to see what had won. Even if they are going to edit things down, I wish they could find a way to show a small clip from each production nominated. Good news for those upset that Liz Carr didn't get proper attention on ITV last night - she was featured prominently on Channel 4 news.
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Post by crabtree on Apr 12, 2022 11:04:44 GMT
To appreciate how good the Oliviers were just watch All Star Musicals that was on before. After the subtle Our Time number in the Oliviers Poppins, Eponine, and Phantom and everyone else hand jiving to Hairspray was indeed a grim, tacky, nasty sight.
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Post by A.Ham on Apr 13, 2022 12:38:03 GMT
A quick question - I’m intrigued how they put the Oliviers show together when some of those performing (in full make up and costume) are also in the audience for the evening. People like Clive Carter, Beverley Knight, the guys from Back The Future etc.
Are the performances filmed earlier on then slotted in for the TV broadcast? I’m assuming not, so how does the evening work for those who are attending AND performing?
Thanks in advance!
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Post by fiyerorocher on Apr 13, 2022 14:37:13 GMT
A quick question - I’m intrigued how they put the Oliviers show together when some of those performing (in full make up and costume) are also in the audience for the evening. People like Clive Carter, Beverley Knight, the guys from Back The Future etc. Are the performances filmed earlier on then slotted in for the TV broadcast? I’m assuming not, so how does the evening work for those who are attending AND performing? Thanks in advance! Performances happen throughout the show. Those performing just get changed in and and out of their costume for their number, then go back to their seats afterwards. Presenters are also pulled out of the audience to present and then sent back to their seats. They arrange things so you're not performing directly before an award you're nominated for.
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Post by A.Ham on Apr 13, 2022 15:28:05 GMT
Thank you. I guess they’re used to quick changes given their profession!
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