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Post by couldileaveyou on Feb 6, 2022 15:19:14 GMT
I forgot what a miserable year it's been for new musicals
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Post by Mark on Feb 6, 2022 15:22:09 GMT
Neither Prince of Egypt nor Pretty Woman were eligible last time around (opened after the cut off) so they will also be eligible this time. Whether or not the former is remembered remains to be seen.
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Post by budd on Feb 6, 2022 21:22:29 GMT
Could anyone give me an idea of the number of people who would be SOLT members? They're very opaque about their membership.
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Post by theatremiss on Feb 7, 2022 0:49:04 GMT
Neither Prince of Egypt nor Pretty Woman were eligible last time around (opened after the cut off) so they will also be eligible this time. Whether or not the former is remembered remains to be seen. Tbh I thought Prince of Egypt wasn’t memorable at all, forgot all about it within minutes of leaving the theatre, we’ll apart from the scarring of the production as a whole. I think I am resigned to not liking Stephen Schwartz work except perhaps Pippin.
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Post by rhd on Feb 7, 2022 13:44:09 GMT
I forgot what a miserable year it's been for new musicals I feel like this year has highlighted the limits of Bio-Musicals and musicals based on films. With the exception of Cinderella (Based on the oldest IP in the world) and Be More Chill (Which was based on a YA novel, and may be considered ineligible due to the fact its run at The Other Place began at the (narrowly) pre-pandemic cut off point), all the original musicals that had a press night in the 2020-22 season belong to those two overexposed categories. The new musicals this season all seem to have been painfully average. It's really telling that Frozen will probably do better at the Oliviers than it did in the Tonys (where it was shut out of the technical categories entirely). Moulin Rouge is the favourite, but the reviews weren't as enthusiastic as many expected based on its Tonys success. The two big Revivals (Anything Goes and Cabaret) will dominate the acting categories, and Moulin Rouge is likely to win most of the technical awards, with Frozen maybe sneaking in a few leftover ones...
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Post by rhd on Feb 7, 2022 13:46:40 GMT
Neither Prince of Egypt nor Pretty Woman were eligible last time around (opened after the cut off) so they will also be eligible this time. Whether or not the former is remembered remains to be seen. POE is an extremely long shot. Pretty Woman MIGHT sneak a few nominations based on its relative success at the Savoy, but the volume of Bio-musicals and movie adaptations this year means that there are enough newer ones to take the four/five spots in the Best Musical category...
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Post by shambles on Feb 7, 2022 14:21:25 GMT
I forgot what a miserable year it's been for new musicals I feel like this year has highlighted the limits of Bio-Musicals and musicals based on films. With the exception of Cinderella (Based on the oldest IP in the world) and Be More Chill (Which was based on a YA novel, and may be considered ineligible due to the fact its run at The Other Place began at the (narrowly) pre-pandemic cut off point), all the original musicals that had a press night in the 2020-22 season belong to those two overexposed categories. The new musicals this season all seem to have been painfully average. It's really telling that Frozen will probably do better at the Oliviers than it did in the Tonys (where it was shut out of the technical categories entirely). Moulin Rouge is the favourite, but the reviews weren't as enthusiastic as many expected based on its Tonys success. The two big Revivals (Anything Goes and Cabaret) will dominate the acting categories, and Moulin Rouge is likely to win most of the technical awards, with Frozen maybe sneaking in a few leftover ones... To be honest, despite how beautiful some of the design work on Moulin Rouge is, I don't feel that it deserves to win things like set design (even Spring Awakening would be a better choice given it's inventiveness) , when so many of the iconic pieces are just copied from the film. Even costumes are very derivative, and Frozen would especially does not deserve them in that category.
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Post by rhd on Feb 7, 2022 14:38:24 GMT
I feel like this year has highlighted the limits of Bio-Musicals and musicals based on films. With the exception of Cinderella (Based on the oldest IP in the world) and Be More Chill (Which was based on a YA novel, and may be considered ineligible due to the fact its run at The Other Place began at the (narrowly) pre-pandemic cut off point), all the original musicals that had a press night in the 2020-22 season belong to those two overexposed categories. The new musicals this season all seem to have been painfully average. It's really telling that Frozen will probably do better at the Oliviers than it did in the Tonys (where it was shut out of the technical categories entirely). Moulin Rouge is the favourite, but the reviews weren't as enthusiastic as many expected based on its Tonys success. The two big Revivals (Anything Goes and Cabaret) will dominate the acting categories, and Moulin Rouge is likely to win most of the technical awards, with Frozen maybe sneaking in a few leftover ones... To be honest, despite how beautiful some of the design work on Moulin Rouge is, I don't feel that it deserves to win things like set design (even Spring Awakening would be a better choice given it's inventiveness) , when so many of the iconic pieces are just copied from the film. Even costumes are very derivative, and Frozen would especially does not deserve them in that category. I don't think that remakes are an inherently bad thing, but there are too many of them. I feel like the technical difficulties of reproducing film on stage need to be acknowledged, but it does feel a bit unimaginative compared to the minimalism that theatre can do so well... Re. Frozen, It takes a lot of effort to try and reproduce animation in live-action, and the constraints of the stage are another complication (which is why Disney's live-action stage adaptations don't really receive the same widespread disdain as their recent wave film adaptations, even though both rely on stretching the animated films into 2 hour plus "epics"). However, the "Double Event" costumes of The Lion King are the only time when Disney Theatrical costumes have felt like more than just "The Animated Costumes in Live Action". Sven is an impressive piece of puppetry, but I'm not sure it's enough to make the entire thing awards worthy. When I said Frozen would do better than it did at the Tonys, I was referring to nominations. It will certainly get a few technical nominations, and the cast and crew could sneak into the other categories, albeit as 4th/5th choice. But It's a 3 horse race this year, and those three horses are Anything Goes, Cabaret and Moulin Rouge...
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Post by stagebyte on Feb 8, 2022 0:20:47 GMT
When are the noms usually announced?
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Post by Jan on Feb 8, 2022 7:17:04 GMT
Best Play Revival - looks like it’s gonna be the battle between the subsidised theatres - Almeida (The Tragedy of Macbeth) vs NT (The Normal Heart) vs Old Vic (A Number) Old Vic isn't subsidised actually. That seems like a really weak list but I can't think of anything else that might be on it.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Feb 9, 2022 0:39:12 GMT
When are the noms usually announced? They we’re announced March 3rd in 2020.. ahead of a scheduled 25 April ceremony (that didn’t happen obviously) so maybe around then (latest?)
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Post by NorthernAlien on Feb 9, 2022 22:21:00 GMT
Best Play Revival - looks like it’s gonna be the battle between the subsidised theatres - Almeida (The Tragedy of Macbeth) vs NT (The Normal Heart) vs Old Vic (A Number) Old Vic isn't subsidised actually. That seems like a really weak list but I can't think of anything else that might be on it. Is Leopoldstadt eligible? Or would it have fallen into the 2021 awards if not for covid?
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Post by Mark on Feb 9, 2022 22:34:36 GMT
Old Vic isn't subsidised actually. That seems like a really weak list but I can't think of anything else that might be on it. Is Leopoldstadt eligible? Or would it have fallen into the 2021 awards if not for covid? It already won Best new play at the 2020 awards.
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Post by NorthernAlien on Feb 10, 2022 18:30:55 GMT
Is Leopoldstadt eligible? Or would it have fallen into the 2021 awards if not for covid? It already won Best new play at the 2020 awards. Well that shows how little attention I was paying in 2020!
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Post by Jan on Feb 11, 2022 7:34:33 GMT
It already won Best new play at the 2020 awards. Well that shows how little attention I was paying in 2020! Oh, I thought you were proposing that although it won best new play in 2020 the 2021 post-Covid revival of it should have qualified it for the best play revival this year too .I was ready to agree. I wonder how they actually define "revival" ? I mean that production of Inspector Calls that has been re-appearing and touring for 20 years with different casts and directors and a different (somewhat) set, that still counts as the original production does it ?
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Post by NorthernAlien on Feb 11, 2022 11:20:28 GMT
Well that shows how little attention I was paying in 2020! Oh, I thought you were proposing that although it won best new play in 2020 the 2021 post-Covid revival of it should have qualified it for the best play revival this year too .I was ready to agree. I wonder how they actually define "revival" ? I mean that production of Inspector Calls that has been re-appearing and touring for 20 years with different casts and directors and a different (somewhat) set, that still counts as the original production does it ? Huh, maybe it would qualify for 'revival'? It was a different cast, wasn't it? I'm not sure what counts, and do they publish the rules anywhere that's accessible to the public? But presumably An Inspector Calls doesn't count *because* it's a tour? You have to be in a SOLT venue to qualify for the Oliviers, I think???
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Post by Mark on Feb 11, 2022 11:42:21 GMT
But then by that logic, pretty much everything that reopened in 2021 was a "revival". Same production, same theatre, and many of the same cast.
Having seen Get Up, Stand Up! last night, Arinze Kene must surely be a front runner for best actor in a musical. He had a great energy.
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Post by thistimetomorrow on Feb 11, 2022 11:57:39 GMT
I believe a revival has to be a new version of the show. If a show has been considered for the awards in the past, in order to qualify for a revival there has to have been significant changes made to be considered again.
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Post by TallPaul on Feb 11, 2022 12:07:24 GMT
Here's a link to the previous winners, if it helps to establish some sort of pattern: Award for Best RevivalOddly, there was no award between 1996 and 2002, although there were clearly numerous revivals during that period.
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Post by NorthernAlien on Feb 11, 2022 16:34:24 GMT
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Post by thistimetomorrow on Feb 11, 2022 16:36:37 GMT
on *their* website, rather than something run by someone else! I think SOLT (Society of London Theatre) runs both the Oliviers and Official London Theatre. So it is run by the same people!
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Post by NorthernAlien on Feb 11, 2022 16:40:13 GMT
on *their* website, rather than something run by someone else! I think SOLT (Society of London Theatre) runs both the Oliviers and Official London Theatre. So it is run by the same people! Sorry, I wasn't clear - TallPaul linked to Wikipedia, where there is more information about categories etc, than there is on SOLT's *own* Olivier Awards sub-site.
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Post by teamyali on Feb 11, 2022 16:54:00 GMT
Olivier 2022 rules: officiallondontheatre.com/olivier-awards/faqs/The eligibility date is from 19 February 2020 to 22 February 2022. How are the lockdown theatre events (like the Old Vic: In Camera productions such as Three Kings) be classified? If they are not eligible, is the Oliviers going to make some recognition in a form of a special award, or a new category like “Best Digital Theatre Production”? Is it unlikely for Young Vic’s A Collaboration (which starts on 16 Feb) and Donmar’s Henry V (starts on 15 Feb) to be able to make it to the 22 February cut-off since the rule says that the production must open within the eligibility period. (That could mean we’d have to remove Kit Harrington and Paul Bettany among the potential Best Actor candidates this season lol) Which categories do you think would be fiercely competitive? Best Musical Revival? Best Actress in a Play?
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Post by thistimetomorrow on Feb 11, 2022 17:05:55 GMT
Is it unlikely for Young Vic’s A Collaboration (which starts on 16 Feb) and Donmar’s Henry V (starts on 15 Feb) Yeah I would have said those shows would be eligible for the 2023 awards. Sorry, I wasn't clear - TallPaul linked to Wikipedia, where there is more information about categories etc, than there is on SOLT's *own* Olivier Awards sub-site. Oh sorry! Totally misunderstood you there
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Post by catw on Feb 12, 2022 10:16:44 GMT
Olivier 2022 rules: officiallondontheatre.com/olivier-awards/faqs/The eligibility date is from 19 February 2020 to 22 February 2022. How are the lockdown theatre events (like the Old Vic: In Camera productions such as Three Kings) be classified? If they are not eligible, is the Oliviers going to make some recognition in a form of a special award, or a new category like “Best Digital Theatre Production”? Is it unlikely for Young Vic’s A Collaboration (which starts on 16 Feb) and Donmar’s Henry V (starts on 15 Feb) to be able to make it to the 22 February cut-off since the rule says that the production must open within the eligibility period. (That could mean we’d have to remove Kit Harrington and Paul Bettany among the potential Best Actor candidates this season lol) Which categories do you think would be fiercely competitive? Best Musical Revival? Best Actress in a Play? Best musical revival is going to be fiercely competitive!
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Post by stagebyte on Feb 26, 2022 11:11:09 GMT
Totally mystified by the sheer amount of Cinderella new publicity, photos, videos, podcasts flooding my feed at the moment. It’s like they’ve suddenly woken up to the fact they need to publicise the show to get bums on seats. Is this normal when a show has been open a year? This seems more than when it opened 🤔 The jury are now voting for the nominees of the Olivier Awards, since in the next weeks would be the final list. They’re banking on awards contention for this. Maybe CHF will finally have her Olivier nom! The awards night will be on 10 April. Based on the past awards schedule, they announce the nominees a month before the ceremony. So my guess is we’re going to hear the list on 8 March (usually they announce on a Tuesday). Best Musical Revival is the competitive one this year (I can also say Best Play Revival is another tight category since it’s the subsidised venues who dominate this season) though there are a lot of new musicals too. Plus spring and summer are coming, and I guess more tourism too! Thank you for your reply So re Olivier noms How many typically get nominated for best actress? I’m sorry but if Miss F gets a nom we will know ALW has someone in his pocket. She has a nice voice but a nuanced actress she isn’t. Who else is in contention for this category?
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Post by couldileaveyou on Feb 26, 2022 11:14:35 GMT
The jury are now voting for the nominees of the Olivier Awards, since in the next weeks would be the final list. They’re banking on awards contention for this. Maybe CHF will finally have her Olivier nom! The awards night will be on 10 April. Based on the past awards schedule, they announce the nominees a month before the ceremony. So my guess is we’re going to hear the list on 8 March (usually they announce on a Tuesday). Best Musical Revival is the competitive one this year (I can also say Best Play Revival is another tight category since it’s the subsidised venues who dominate this season) though there are a lot of new musicals too. Plus spring and summer are coming, and I guess more tourism too! Thank you for your reply So re Olivier noms How many typically get nominated for best actress? Generally 4 or 5
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Post by Being Alive on Feb 26, 2022 12:52:12 GMT
My assumption would be that the best Actress nominations will be Sutton Foster, Jessie Buckley, Beverley Knight and Steph McKeon. Dependant on whether she's in as supporting or lead Gabrielle Brooks (?) from Get Up Stand Up might take the fifth
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Post by mrbarnaby on Feb 26, 2022 13:08:38 GMT
Steph?!! What!!!
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Post by mrbarnaby on Feb 26, 2022 13:09:35 GMT
What? Not the set? My wifes reception class worked really hard on that!! 🎨 The hotel where the back wall came from want it back also.
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