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Post by oxfordsimon on May 9, 2019 8:27:29 GMT
I thought it might be worth just reminding people of the date of this event. I know some people like to avoid central London on that day because of the road closures and more than a million people out celebrating. Of course, I would hope that a few of our members might want to volunteer to be part of the fun. It takes a thousand volunteers on the day to make everything happen. If you would like to be part of the fun, visit - prideinlondon.org/support-us/volunteer/ - and sign up. (Yes, I am part of the Volunteer Engagement team that helps run the event!) It is 50 years this year since the Stonewall Riots kick-started the Pride movement and we still need to fight for equality. You only have to look at recent events at the schools in Birmingham and Manchester to see what needs to be done. Plus the fight for marriage equality in Northern Ireland is ongoing. And then more globally, we have Brunei and many other countries taking regressive steps. We still need Pride marches - part protest for what still needs to change and part celebration for what we have achieved. I hope everyone has a Happy Pride wherever they may be.
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Post by jamb0r on May 9, 2019 9:37:09 GMT
I'll be marching for the first time this year with work. Looking forward to it!
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 9, 2019 9:43:23 GMT
It will be the biggest parade we have ever staged - more community groups than ever will be represented. Am sure you will have a fab-u-lous time
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Post by missthelma on May 10, 2019 11:23:11 GMT
I usually manage to book a show on this day without realising so am quite relieved that this year I haven't! Nothing is more likely to turn this already grumpy misanthrope into a borderline homocidal maniac than a seething mass of bodies screaming, blowing whistles and whooping as I fight my way through to see a depressing play!!!
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Post by Nicholas on Jun 7, 2019 21:28:29 GMT
Happy Pride Month, good old forum! Just wanted to highlight this, and talk about Tbilisi: It is 50 years this year since the Stonewall Riots kick-started the Pride movement and we still need to fight for equality. You only have to look at recent events at the schools in Birmingham and Manchester to see what needs to be done. Plus the fight for marriage equality in Northern Ireland is ongoing. And then more globally, we have Brunei and many other countries taking regressive steps. We still need Pride marches - part protest for what still needs to change and part celebration for what we have achieved. London Pride is, depressingly, as essential this year as ever. Every Pride is as essential as ever. As long as there is at least one homophobe in the world, we need Pride parades, and recent news stories have shown that, both home and abroad, there is at least one homophobe. The more Prides in the world, the better. With that in mind, let’s celebrate those countries having their first Prides, and celebrate/mourn/hugely f***ing celebrate one place in particular – Georgia.
Georgia’s relationship to LGBT rights is… better than its neighbours, but given its neighbours… This year’s Tbilisi Pride, therefore, promises to be one of the more important parades around the world. There aren’t many Soviet Prides – even though the people clearly want them – so the fact that Georgians will proudly march is cause for such celebration…
…except that the government just announced that they shouldn’t have the Pride March. Security can’t be provided. Apparently someone in the government has been actively pressuring them not to have it at all, but that’s hearsay. What’s fact is that they’re not having any support.
Tbilisi Pride’s response? Absolutely bloody amazing. After June 23rd, let's see how this amazing event went.
There’s a petition that was just announced, so the more people who sign it the better. go.allout.org/en/a/tbilisi/.
Beyond that, there’s no great call-to-arms here, beyond awareness. Despite it amazingly being discussed in parliament, I don’t think there’s enough awareness of the event, let alone the Georgian government's sudden decision, let alone the amazing response of the organisers. I only have three actual friends in the real world, so I hope you don’t mind me sharing this non-theatrical matter on a theatre forum, but those of you planning on attending London Pride, I’m sure this is of interest to you. The more people who know the incredible stakes Tbilisi Pride is going against – and that they are going ahead at all, despite this all – the better. That petition is worth sharing as much as you can. The more awareness, support, and love, the better.
But anywho, enough of that. Honestly it's late on a Friday and I've drunk too much to know how to end this point. Happy June to everyone here, and happy July 6th too.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 8, 2019 9:32:06 GMT
Bit of a question for the forum: is it some kind of "cashing in" or something to display a pride flag even if you are not gay? Last year, I did put one on my website for "London Pride," just because I felt strongly and wanted to show support. Then I read something about the gay community feeling "appropriated" by people and businesses who did that. That's now got me slightly confused as to whether to do so this year. I want to, but don't want to offend anyone. Thoughts welcome. There is a lot of seeing rainbows on things where there is nothing to indicate what the company or organisation is doing to further equality for all. Showing your support as an ally is fantastic and exactly the right use of a rainbow flag. Using it to appear right on and/or just promote yourself is cynical and inappropriate. It can be difficult to be certain which businesses are being self serving and which are really making a difference. As long as you are confident in your own motives and can, if asked, demonstrate what you do to help in the fight then you are doing the right thing to splash as much glitter around as you like!
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Post by wickedgrin on Jun 8, 2019 11:25:41 GMT
Bit of a question for the forum: is it some kind of "cashing in" or something to display a pride flag even if you are not gay? Last year, I did put one on my website for "London Pride," just because I felt strongly and wanted to show support. Then I read something about the gay community feeling "appropriated" by people and businesses who did that. That's now got me slightly confused as to whether to do so this year. I want to, but don't want to offend anyone. Thoughts welcome. Here is my view. If you are just showing support with no intentional commercial gain that is absolutely fine and the gay community needs that support, I am afraid, more than ever at the moment with some very worrying things happening around Birmingham schools and attacks on gay people - most recently on a bus in London. However, where is it absolutely not appropriate is when straight businesses who do nothing for the LGBTQ community throughout the year suddenly fly rainbow flags outside their businesses for Pride. In Brighton, Pride is a massive event and it really annoying when VERY straight bars who owned by huge breweries who do nothing for gay people fly rainbow flags outside their bars for Pride - cashing in on the day (suddenly becoming gay friendly) when they put nothing back into the community.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 9, 2019 0:42:34 GMT
Bit of a question for the forum: is it some kind of "cashing in" or something to display a pride flag even if you are not gay? Last year, I did put one on my website for "London Pride," just because I felt strongly and wanted to show support. Then I read something about the gay community feeling "appropriated" by people and businesses who did that. That's now got me slightly confused as to whether to do so this year. I want to, but don't want to offend anyone. Thoughts welcome. I don’t think having the pride flag is about “cashing in”, more about sending out a unequivocal message that the said organisation is inclusive. Seven years ago in London for the great 2012 Para-Olympic Games, Sainsbury’s took it on their selfs to sponsor the whole event, that was a small gesture that sent out many big messages about that organisation.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 9, 2019 11:56:28 GMT
Sponsoring as a headline sponsor is about a significant financial contribution as well as making a big statement of intent
Putting up a few rainbow flags and issuing a press release - rather somewhat less so
I welcome all allies in the fight for true equality - but I need them to pay more than lip service to the idea. It isn't about the money, it is about the culture they create, the efforts they make, the real change they are bringing about and supporting.
M&S were no doubt sincere with their LGBT Sandwich (Lettuce, Guac, Bacon and Tomato) but it didn't play well for them as it felt like a cheap stunt and the idea of representation through food items just didn't land well with everyone. It was a genuine attempt to do something positive - but it didn't work as well as Skittles have done with their White Skittles - which has been repeated for a number of years now.
It isn't an easy line to tread. You need to do more than just wrap yourself in various flags. This shouldn't be about trying to get your slice of the pink pound, it should be about signing up to what the Pride movements around the world stand for.
Given what we have seen in the past few days with the assaults in London and Southampton and the open homophobia from the protests in Birmingham (and elsewhere), this is a fight that needs to be fought with renewed vigour. Asking for a bit more than some rainbow washing isn't inappropriate at this point sadly.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 10, 2019 19:42:17 GMT
Simon I know over the years, you feel very passionately about this subject and is great.
The assault on the bus in London and the assault on the 2 actors in Southampton both broke the law, therefore are criminal acts and the assailants need to be apprehended and face due course, we would all agree to that.
The first I heard of the M&S Sandwich was when it read it above and it does sound sorry to say well ***cringeworthy***, but I wouldn’t say it was done to cash in, but to set in stone that M&S is the most inclusive shop and maybe to get plenty of positive publicity so could be a cash in via the back door.
I have no problem a shop/business displaying a LGBT sticker/bagge/flag, but doing so they have to practice what they preach and live up to what they set out to do and prove it isn’t just lip service. My employers are very proud to do this and I work for one of the most inclusive organisations in the country.
Fortunately sandwich lines are easy to change, but deep rooted homophobia isn’t an easy one, especially in today’s climate where their hatred has now boiled over after simmering for a long time. I hope both incidents are isolated and the police/court do what they’re payed to do, this goes beyond low level crime and needs to be dealt with.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 11, 2019 12:24:28 GMT
Simon I know over the years, you feel very passionately about this subject and is great. The assault on the bus in London and the assault on the 2 actors in Southampton both broke the law, therefore are criminal acts and the assailants need to be apprehended and face due course, we would all agree to that. The first I heard of the M&S Sandwich was when it read it above and it does sound sorry to say well ***cringeworthy***, but I wouldn’t say it was done to cash in, but to set in stone that M&S is the most inclusive shop and maybe to get plenty of positive publicity so could be a cash in via the back door. I have no problem a shop/business displaying a LGBT sticker/bagge/flag, but doing so they have to practice what they preach and live up to what they set out to do and prove it isn’t just lip service. My employers are very proud to do this and I work for one of the most inclusive organisations in the country. Fortunately sandwich lines are easy to change, but deep rooted homophobia isn’t an easy one, especially in today’s climate where their hatred has now boiled over after simmering for a long time. I hope both incidents are isolated and the police/court do what they’re payed to do, this goes beyond low level crime and needs to be dealt with. I am not sure we are disagreeing on anything. The sandwich, from everyone I have spoken to about it, was a bit of a misfire. It was a genuine attempt to do the right thing - but didn't land as well as hoped. But I don't think M&S were seeking to exploit or cash in. That is not true of every company that wraps itself in rainbows. Until the past few months, I thought we were roughly heading in the right direction. There were still bumps in the road - such as the lack of marriage equality in NI and serious issues overseas. But the rise of overt homophobia on the streets of our major cities feels significant and dangerous. We will continue the fight. And all allies in that fight are very, very welcome.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 11, 2019 15:12:36 GMT
Simon I don’t disagree with you on anything and share your concerns.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 1, 2019 18:05:43 GMT
Just another quick reminder that Pride in London will be taking over central London this Saturday.
Expect lots of glitter (biodegradable, of course), rainbows and fabulousness. Plus Billy Porter on the Trafalgar Square stage!
Nearly 600 groups will be marching in the parade - our largest ever - and no group was turned away (as long as they met the criteria!)
It will be a special day of protest and celebration. Join in the fun. Or just have a great day of theatre-going (allowing extra time for travel)
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Post by robertb213 on Jul 1, 2019 18:34:58 GMT
I'll be in London on the day although not for Pride so I won't be a part of the celebrations - I hope it's a safe and happy day for everyone, however they spend it 😀
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Post by xanady on Jul 2, 2019 7:08:22 GMT
Wishing everyone a happy Pride as always...peace,tolerance,equality and love rule!
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Post by kathryn on Jul 6, 2019 15:53:16 GMT
Happy Pride everyone! Currently sitting in St James’s Park admiring everyone’s rainbow-hued attire as they leave the parade.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 6, 2019 17:30:42 GMT
1.5 million people attending
Nearly 600 parade groups with 33000 marchers
Over 1000 volunteers
And I am on my way home after starting my shift at just gone 6am
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Post by d'James on Jul 6, 2019 19:57:36 GMT
Trafalgar and Leicester Squares were great. Soho Square was a disaster area.
A great atmosphere everywhere although I don’t appreciate my bum being groped uninvitedly by someone I don’t know.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 6, 2019 20:03:21 GMT
Soho Square was very debauched when I was going through it around 5pm -
Groping shouldn't happen - but in a highly charged atmosphere, it does tend to occur.
Sorry I was too tired to stay for Billy Porter - I bet he was amazing
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Post by d'James on Jul 6, 2019 20:12:33 GMT
Groping shouldn't happen - but in a highly charged atmosphere, it does tend to occur. Hmmmm. I knew it was going to get dismissed.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 6, 2019 20:23:45 GMT
Sorry - I wasn't seeking to dismiss. No-one should be touched without consent. Ever
But in a tightly packed Soho, it is likely to happen. There is only so much paid stewards, volunteer stewards and the Police can see and do.
On the whole, I saw a lot of very positive and supportive behaviour from attendees - that doesn't mean that inappropriate things are permitted just that they are very hard to prevent.
The statistics show that crime in London goes down on Pride Saturdays - even with more than 1 million people on the streets.
I will certainly raise the issue of attendee safety at our next All Team meeting - to make sure that consent is a key message we send out.
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Post by xanady on Jul 6, 2019 20:49:26 GMT
Groping is defined in law as sexual harassment or sexual violence...absolutely disgraceful and disgusting behaviour.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 7, 2019 0:27:17 GMT
Even putting your hand on someone’s knee is sexual assault. So to be groped would also be unlawful and sorry to hear that happened.
Anyway I was at Pride today and loved to see both the Prince Edward and Dominion theatres, have their LED screen with the pride flag, At Sweat this evening for the final curtain the whole cast came out with a small pride flag each.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 7, 2019 8:51:23 GMT
1.5 million people attending Nearly 600 parade groups with 33000 marchers Over 1000 volunteers And I am on my way home after starting my shift at just gone 6am As someone who really enjoys your writing, I'm looking forward to the detailed write up of 'your' day.
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Post by anthony40 on Jul 7, 2019 8:59:52 GMT
I marched yesterday with work. I work for a Local Authority and it was our first time as as council. there were about 45 of use. I saw it as a wonderful opportunity to partake in a major parade through the streets of London.
We were told where to meet and at what time, what to wear and bring etc. but nothing could prepare you for the screaming, shouting, palm slapping, dancing and joy with the crowds.
I have always watched but never partaken. I really hadn't ever felt the need to before but now that I have, I would do it again in a heartbeat.
I came home hot, tired and with sore feet but euphoric!
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Post by kathryn on Jul 7, 2019 9:31:22 GMT
I’d been out to lunch with friends and we walked down the strand and crossed the parade route to get to St James’. Unfortunately one of my friends does not like crowds and so was not up for mingling any longer than we had to.
Next year, I swear, I am going to volunteer as a steward or something. Whenever I’m anywhere near a pride parade it just seems like such a lovely atmosphere and it’s so wonderful to see so many people having a joyous time. As a straight woman I always feel a bit like I’m crashing someone else’s party, though! So I guess I should join in by helping to throw the party instead.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 7, 2019 10:15:15 GMT
I’d been out to lunch with friends and we walked down the strand and crossed the parade route to get to St James’. Unfortunately one of my friends does not like crowds and so was not up for mingling any longer than we had to. Next year, I swear, I am going to volunteer as a steward or something. Whenever I’m anywhere near a pride parade it just seems like such a lovely atmosphere and it’s so wonderful to see so many people having a joyous time. As a straight woman I always feel a bit like I’m crashing someone else’s party, though! So I guess I should join in by helping to throw the party instead. You can sign up at prideinlondon.org/volunteer That way you will get the emails when we start the process next year. You certainly wouldn't be crashing anything. Allies are very very welcome
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 7, 2019 10:16:01 GMT
I marched yesterday with work. I work for a Local Authority and it was our first time as as council. there were about 45 of use. I saw it as a wonderful opportunity to partake in a major parade through the streets of London. We were told where to meet and at what time, what to wear and bring etc. but nothing could prepare you for the screaming, shouting, palm slapping, dancing and joy with the crowds. I have always watched but never partaken. I really hadn't ever felt the need to before but now that I have, I would do it again in a heartbeat. I came home hot, tired and with sore feet but euphoric! The atmosphere was incredible. So glad you had an empowering day
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 7, 2019 11:59:02 GMT
Well this is how my day went:
Alarm - 3am. Alarm - 3.05am. Alarm 3.10am...you get the picture. I woke gently with some YouTube videos of camp musical songs. Got dressed and was ready for my taxi to the coach station for the 4.15am Oxford Tube to London.
As to be expected at that time of the morning, it was an easy run - so was off the bus by 5.45am and thence to get a double sausage and egg mcmuffin to start the day.
I was at the Registration site by just after 6am and did the signing in/accreditation process - getting my radio, wrist band and so forth so that I could roam round the entire footprint of Pride for my job of the day which was volunteer well-being. This is a new initiative where we are putting the effort into making sure our volunteers are happy and healthy through the day.
My first few hours were spent talking to colleagues and handling the dispatch of electric scooters being used by people who needed to get around quickly. So very camp when you see them in action.
Around 9.30, my niece and her friend arrived for their first ever Pride. And their first ever volunteering. It was probably the highlight of my day to see them having a great time and feeling empowered as a result. They were signed in, covered in glitter and rainbows and spent their day on Whitehall dealing with the end of the parade!
I headed out with my immediate team around 11.30 and went to the start of the parade (which was up by the BBC). This is my 5th year of volunteering with PiL and it was my first time out on the parade route (normally I am behind the scenes). It was an overwhelming experience in so many ways.
The noise, the colour, the whistles, the smiles - it is one of the great things about the event that we take over the heart of our capital city and dominate it for one short day in a rainbow city. We don't charge people to attend. We don't charge people see the events on the stages. Yes, that means corporate sponsorship - but it is worth it to make it free to EVERYONE. It is the most inclusive thing we can do. And all sponsors are checked to make sure that they are active year-round in their support of Pride ideals. They don't just slap a rainbow on things for a month every year. They are committed to change - and we turn down many offers from companies that can't demonstrate that.
So once the parade started off just after 12, I was on the route talking to our volunteers, checking in the the crowds, keeping my eye on safety issues and helping troubleshoot where necessary. I think I reached the end of the parade route about 3pm - 1.2 miles in 3 hours... not fast progress. I smiled a lot. I cried a couple of times. I revelled in the positive, supportive atmosphere. There were a few celebs that I saw - Scarlett Envy was walking the route in impressive heels. Sir Ian was being lovely. Shirley Ballas was looking a lot like Frances Barber. There were plenty more that I missed.
But it was a march of protest and of 50 years of achievement. The balance was right. We made our points very loudly and very proudly.
My day was somewhat cut short due to someone in the crowd being rather forceful with making me do underarm spins with him. He wasn't to know that I have damaged by right wrist - but he rather made it worse. So by 4pm I was back at the Registration base on Poland Street and by 5pm, I was being seen by a nurse at the Soho drop in centre.
6pm I was on my coach home. Exhausted. In pain. But happy to have been part of it again.
I know now how much more we can do to look after our volunteers. How much more we need to do to make the event run smoothly. But it was a huge achievement from a core team of 200 year round volunteers and 1000 on the day volunteers. Budget of £1.2 million. Biggest ever crowds. Biggest ever number of volunteers. It is easy to forget the work necessary to make it happen. But it is so worth it.
Whether you march, you attend or you volunteer, you are part of something special. It is still needed. And London is one of the top 3 iconic Pride events - we are part of a global effort. Even if we achieve everything we want here at home, we still need to fight for those who live under the threat of death for being who they are. Until we defeat hate, Pride will always been needed. And we will continue to make a lot of noise about it.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 7, 2019 19:09:28 GMT
Well this is how my day went: Alarm - 3am. Alarm - 3.05am. Alarm 3.10am...you get the picture. I woke gently with some YouTube videos of camp musical songs. Got dressed and was ready for my taxi to the coach station for the 4.15am Oxford Tube to London. As to be expected at that time of the morning, it was an easy run - so was off the bus by 5.45am and thence to get a double sausage and egg mcmuffin to start the day. I was at the Registration site by just after 6am and did the signing in/accreditation process - getting my radio, wrist band and so forth so that I could roam round the entire footprint of Pride for my job of the day which was volunteer well-being. This is a new initiative where we are putting the effort into making sure our volunteers are happy and healthy through the day. My first few hours were spent talking to colleagues and handling the dispatch of electric scooters being used by people who needed to get around quickly. So very camp when you see them in action. Around 9.30, my niece and her friend arrived for their first ever Pride. And their first ever volunteering. It was probably the highlight of my day to see them having a great time and feeling empowered as a result. They were signed in, covered in glitter and rainbows and spent their day on Whitehall dealing with the end of the parade! I headed out with my immediate team around 11.30 and went to the start of the parade (which was up by the BBC). This is my 5th year of volunteering with PiL and it was my first time out on the parade route (normally I am behind the scenes). It was an overwhelming experience in so many ways. The noise, the colour, the whistles, the smiles - it is one of the great things about the event that we take over the heart of our capital city and dominate it for one short day in a rainbow city. We don't charge people to attend. We don't charge people see the events on the stages. Yes, that means corporate sponsorship - but it is worth it to make it free to EVERYONE. It is the most inclusive thing we can do. And all sponsors are checked to make sure that they are active year-round in their support of Pride ideals. They don't just slap a rainbow on things for a month every year. They are committed to change - and we turn down many offers from companies that can't demonstrate that. So once the parade started off just after 12, I was on the route talking to our volunteers, checking in the the crowds, keeping my eye on safety issues and helping troubleshoot where necessary. I think I reached the end of the parade route about 3pm - 1.2 miles in 3 hours... not fast progress. I smiled a lot. I cried a couple of times. I revelled in the positive, supportive atmosphere. There were a few celebs that I saw - Scarlett Envy was walking the route in impressive heels. Sir Ian was being lovely. Shirley Ballas was looking a lot like Frances Barber. There were plenty more that I missed. But it was a march of protest and of 50 years of achievement. The balance was right. We made our points very loudly and very proudly. My day was somewhat cut short due to someone in the crowd being rather forceful with making me do underarm spins with him. He wasn't to know that I have damaged by right wrist - but he rather made it worse. So by 4pm I was back at the Registration base on Poland Street and by 5pm, I was being seen by a nurse at the Soho drop in centre. 6pm I was on my coach home. Exhausted. In pain. But happy to have been part of it again. I know now how much more we can do to look after our volunteers. How much more we need to do to make the event run smoothly. But it was a huge achievement from a core team of 200 year round volunteers and 1000 on the day volunteers. Budget of £1.2 million. Biggest ever crowds. Biggest ever number of volunteers. It is easy to forget the work necessary to make it happen. But it is so worth it. Whether you march, you attend or you volunteer, you are part of something special. It is still needed. And London is one of the top 3 iconic Pride events - we are part of a global effort. Even if we achieve everything we want here at home, we still need to fight for those who live under the threat of death for being who they are. Until we defeat hate, Pride will always been needed. And we will continue to make a lot of noise about it. Thank you, powerful writing
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