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Post by mel on Apr 9, 2018 10:38:56 GMT
Which are the better awards in your opinion? In regards to the actual awards, the ceremony, performances etc.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Apr 9, 2018 10:42:06 GMT
Which are the better awards in your opinion? In regards to the actual awards, the ceremony, performances etc. Tonys for presentation, equal on musicals awards, Oliviers for play awards. |
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Post by duncan on Apr 9, 2018 10:51:43 GMT
Both are an irrelevance to anyone outside of the minute bubble of people in theatre.
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Post by mel on Apr 9, 2018 11:02:41 GMT
Both are an irrelevance to anyone outside of the minute bubble of people in theatre. That...wasn't the question but ok. Beside, I wouldn't say that Tonys are irrelevant. They seem somewhat popular in the states and completing an EGOT is seen as important. |
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Post by theatremadness on Apr 9, 2018 11:04:33 GMT
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Post by lynette on Apr 9, 2018 11:57:04 GMT
Both are an irrelevance to anyone outside of the minute bubble of people in theatre. There are those, Duncan, for whom this Board is in 'the minute bubble of people in theatre' |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 13:26:18 GMT
The Tonys without a doubt. They're bigger, they're splashier, they're glitzier, they mean more.
The Tonys are like going into Mayfair and buying a gorgeous bag. The Oliviers are like going to Hong Kong and finding a cheap knockoff of said bag.
They may look alike from a distance but one is going to last you a long time and get admiring glances, the other is going to fall apart as soon as you put a lipstick in it and give you a rash on your hand.
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Post by TallPaul on Apr 9, 2018 13:33:19 GMT
The Oliviers, without a doubt.
If you win an Olivier, you get a statuette of Larry. If you win a Tony, you are given some horrible bit of tat made from monkey metal, mounted on an onyx base. No comparison.
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Post by dlevi on Apr 9, 2018 13:37:20 GMT
Until SOLT figures out a way to create an Oliver Awards Ceremony that doesn't always feature a tribute to either Cameron and/or ALW , or an irrelevant guest star ( remember Barry Manilow a few years ago?) and an actual host with a relationship to the theatre and a script for the ceremony which mixes intelligence with snarkiness, then they will always be less important than the Tonys. And to have a ceremony telecast at 10:20 at night after the winners have been announced on Twitter and Facebook ( but no facebook streaming to the UK because of the delayed telecast -WTF?) is something which automatically demeans the awards themselves. It also doesn't help that the categories are peculiar - Best New Comedy? Comedies aren't plays? Who exactly wins the revival category - director? Then why doesn't the director get the Best Director nod? Outstanding achievement in Music? How does what Lin Manuel does compete with what the music department accomplished with Follies? SOLT needs to do some serious soul searching in order to maintain ( or attain) relevance.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 13:41:01 GMT
and an actual host with a relationship to the theatre Ummm, I don't think Catherine Tate is too shabby in the theatre department personally . . . |
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Post by showoff on Apr 9, 2018 13:47:23 GMT
It has to be the Tony's, no?
I mean you want to win an EGOT not an EGOO.
BAFTA's are not as big as the Oscars and the Oliviers are not as big as the Tony's.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 13:50:01 GMT
I mean you want to win an EGOT not an EGOO. Well the producers were certainly left with egoo on their faces this morning after forgetting about Peter Hall. |
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Post by Mr Crummles on Apr 9, 2018 14:37:45 GMT
Oliviers here. To be perfectly honest, the Tony doesn't register much on my radar.
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Post by dlevi on Apr 9, 2018 16:41:34 GMT
Ummm, I don't think Catherine Tate is too shabby in the theatre department personally . . . You're right, I guess it was just that she wasn't that effective a host and she's an infrequent personage on the stage. I understand the need for a TV name but perhaps someone who had a more balanced career divided between TV ( or film ) and theatre would've brought something more personal to the proceedings. |
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Post by robertb213 on Apr 9, 2018 17:25:14 GMT
Tonys all the way. I'd rather watch 2 hours of the Tonys than the Oliviers, any day of the week.
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Post by bellboard27 on Apr 9, 2018 17:32:29 GMT
The Tonys without a doubt. They're bigger, they're splashier, they're glitzier, they mean more. The Tonys are like going into Mayfair and buying a gorgeous bag. The Oliviers are like going to Hong Kong and finding a cheap knockoff of said bag. They may look alike from a distance but one is going to last you a long time and get admiring glances, the other is going to fall apart as soon as you put a lipstick in it and give you a rash on your hand. I’m confused. Where does my Tesco’s carrier bag fit into this? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 17:58:40 GMT
The Tonys without a doubt. They're bigger, they're splashier, they're glitzier, they mean more. The Tonys are like going into Mayfair and buying a gorgeous bag. The Oliviers are like going to Hong Kong and finding a cheap knockoff of said bag. They may look alike from a distance but one is going to last you a long time and get admiring glances, the other is going to fall apart as soon as you put a lipstick in it and give you a rash on your hand. I’m confused. Where does my Tesco’s carrier bag fit into this? The WhatsOnStage awards.  |
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Post by sherriebythesea on Apr 9, 2018 21:33:03 GMT
The Tony's - Neil Patrick Harris' opening numbers (when he hosted) tops everything
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 21:39:26 GMT
The Tony's - Neil Patrick Harris' opening numbers (when he hosted) tops everything True. Well it's not just for gays anymore . . |
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Post by theatremadness on Apr 9, 2018 22:01:07 GMT
The Tony's - Neil Patrick Harris' opening numbers (when he hosted) tops everything Agreed! I think his 2013 opening number (written by Tom Kitt and Lin-Manuel Miranda, I believe) will forever be, in my opinion, the greatest opening to anything ever. The sheer love and joy of all the performers and audience brings me to tears every time I watch it! |
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Post by sherriebythesea on Apr 9, 2018 22:46:23 GMT
Agreed! I think his 2013 opening number (written by Tom Kitt and Lin-Manuel Miranda, I believe) will forever be, in my opinion, the greatest opening to anything ever. The sheer love and joy of all the performers and audience brings me to tears every time I watch it! Me too !!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 13:09:18 GMT
I agree the 2013 Opening of the Tony's is the best ever. It actually made me tear up, it was so overwhelming just how amazing it was!
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Post by callum on Apr 10, 2018 21:43:01 GMT
People might have had their complaints about Catherine Tate hosting the Oliviers but at least she’s more likely to be asked back than last year’s Tonys host...
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Post by sherriebythesea on Apr 10, 2018 23:57:33 GMT
The fact that he was horrid at it should have been enough to assure that. But the rest is just Aw Hell Naw (to quote SNL)
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Post by woobl on Apr 11, 2018 11:49:08 GMT
INT. Society of London Theatre Headquarters
SOLT: We need to get The Oliviers out to a wider audience and show the British public how important these awards are for our industry!
ITV: We’ll broadcast it for you!
SOLT: Brilliant! Let’s get it online also to reach a larger crowd in the UK
ITV: Ah...
SOLT: What?
ITV: well, we’ll want to package it up and ideally schedule it at a time that people aren’t really bothered to watch a bunch of people singing and dancing. This isn’t 1975 and it’s not like you’re the BAFTAs or anything.
SOLT: riiiight, so let’s stream it on say, Facebook, so people can see it... people still use Facebook right?!
ITV: ah, you see, we sort of now have exclusive rights for the show and what gets out on air in the UK, so we can only allow people outside the UK to watch it live..
SOLT: So, our target audience can only watch bits of it at a time you deem is right for our somewhat old fashioned industry awards show?
ITV: Sooorrry. But here’s some cash.
SOLT: I guess we’ll give it another go next year. Plus it’s not like these awards help sell tickets anyway. We’re not the Tonys after all!
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Post by loureviews on Apr 11, 2018 18:36:30 GMT
Why is everyone suddenly so sniffy about our homegrown West End theatre awards?
The Tonys are for Broadway.
They are both equally valid - unless we all subscribe to the view that unless its American it has no real value.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 22:36:29 GMT
Why is everyone suddenly so sniffy about our homegrown West End theatre awards? The Tonys are for Broadway. They are both equally valid - unless we all subscribe to the view that unless its American it has no real value. I believe people are mostly referring to the quality of the ceremonies themselves, not the validity of the awards. Although it is true that a Tony is seen as more impressive in popular culture, just as an Oscar is seen as more impressive than a BAFTA and so on. |
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Post by Stephen on Apr 12, 2018 0:18:50 GMT
I wonder what the pay comparisons are to host the Tony Awards vs the Oliviers? I remember Alan Cumming saying after he hosted that he didn't really enjoy it and he was paid a very low sum. It surprised me as it's such a big prestigious event!
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Post by callum on Apr 12, 2018 14:58:38 GMT
I wonder what the pay comparisons are to host the Tony Awards vs the Oliviers? I remember Alan Cumming saying after he hosted that he didn't really enjoy it and he was paid a very low sum. It surprised me as it's such a big prestigious event! I agree Steve, but it is definitely bottom of the pile of the big American awards ceremonies - EGOT + Golden Globes, SAG & and all of the other music awards... |
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Apr 12, 2018 15:57:52 GMT
The big difference between Oscars/Emmys/BAFTAs and Tonys/Oliviers is that the former can be seen globally, in your cinema or your living room and their awards are judging the exact same thing. Theatre awards are about something specific to a location and, at most, they are judging two versions of the same production but, more often, have a completely very different pool from which to choose nominees.
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