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Post by hal9000 on May 23, 2017 19:58:05 GMT
The solution? "Keep calm and carry on" A bit of a cliche now but the perfect, and very British, response. As a non-Brit, I could not agree more.
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Post by edmundokeano on May 23, 2017 19:58:21 GMT
Ban new mosques from opening for 10 years and change the laws about how long suspected Islamist extremists can be held without charge. Also fine the Internet providers for not blocking extremist sites. I can't watch dodgy film streams on Virgin media but these scum can look at how to make a bomb and the latest IS propaganda FFS! I honestly thank you for taking me seriously and responding. But what you propose does nothing in practical terms to stop disaffected young men enacting violent acts of destruction on people they despise. It doesn't stop them from using the dark web. It doesn't stop them congregating. Any more than people of a generation past were prevented from distributing gestetner prints of The Anarchist Cookbook or meeting in abandoned warehouses. The problem isn't access to information. The problem is disaffected young men who despise great groups of people and take out their hatred and self-loathing in the for, of mass murder. They are to a man self-aggrandising fundamentalists. It is foolhardy to assume that your average Muslim chemistry teacher or plumber who prays in a mosque has more in common with Islamist terrorists than, say, failed Mens Rights Activist killer Elliot Rodger. Thank you for taking the time to offer a constructive post and not falling into "you're racist/xenophobic/an idiot" mode as others with no solutions have done... I agree with some of your points.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 19:59:17 GMT
I'm glad the personal attack toward me was removed, as I reported it. But there are still some extremely offensive things in the last few pages of this thread but for the sake of peace I'm saying nothing.
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Post by edmundokeano on May 23, 2017 20:01:22 GMT
I'm glad the personal attack toward me was removed, as I reported it. But there are still some extremely offensive things in the last few pages of this thread but for the sake of peace I'm saying nothing. There are no extremely offensive posts on here and haven't been. They are opinions and in the real world you will encounter them.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:02:29 GMT
I'm glad the personal attack toward me was removed, as I reported it. But there are still some extremely offensive things in the last few pages of this thread but for the sake of peace I'm saying nothing. There are no extremely offensive posts on here and haven't been. They are opinions and in the real world you will encounter them. Disrespectful comments are never OK.
And there have been disrespectful comments previously. They were removed for a reason.
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Post by edmundokeano on May 23, 2017 20:05:20 GMT
There are no extremely offensive posts on here and haven't been. They are opinions and in the real world you will encounter them. Disrespectful comments are never OK. Which disrespectful comments are remaining on here? I apologise for getting personal with you but I do find it incredibly frustrating that as someone who had admitted that he finds politics too hard to understand was so critical of a proposed solution.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:10:20 GMT
Disrespectful comments are never OK. Which disrespectful comments are remaining on here? I apologise for getting personal with you but I do find it incredibly frustrating that as someone who had admitted that he finds politics too hard to understand was so critical of a proposed solution. You know which comment I find disrespectful, I called you out on it earlier in the deleted comment.
And I stand by what I said, you don't have to understand politics to be a good person and understand you cannot stop worship for good, hard working Muslim people, for the sake of a select few evil people.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 23, 2017 20:13:59 GMT
Folks. Please play nice.
It's been busy moderating this forum today, we have day jobs just like you!
That's not a complaint, it's what the admin team are here for and that's fine. But you could help a bit by just thinking about how your posts might be construed by others.
Read it and think about it before you hit that submit button please.
We would really appreciate that.
Thank you.
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Post by edmundokeano on May 23, 2017 20:14:58 GMT
Which disrespectful comments are remaining on here? I apologise for getting personal with you but I do find it incredibly frustrating that as someone who had admitted that he finds politics too hard to understand was so critical of a proposed solution. You know which comment I find disrespectful, I called you out on it earlier in the deleted comment.
And I stand by what I said, you don't have to understand politics to be a good person and understand you cannot stop worship for good, hard working Muslim people, for the sake of a select few evil people.
No one is suggesting preventing Muslims from praying. That would be disgusting and I would happily march against it. What is a problem, however, is new Mosques. They are not normally regulated by the same strict controls as established ones and attract converts who are normally more prone to committing terrorism. The nutters go on about hook hand but never acknowledge that Finsbury Park Mosque banned him. The established mosques are a fine example of Islam as a honorable World faith for the most part.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:23:16 GMT
You know which comment I find disrespectful, I called you out on it earlier in the deleted comment.
And I stand by what I said, you don't have to understand politics to be a good person and understand you cannot stop worship for good, hard working Muslim people, for the sake of a select few evil people.
No one is suggesting preventing Muslims from praying. That would be disgusting and I would happily march against it. What is a problem, however, is new Mosques. They are not normally regulated by the same strict controls as established ones and attract converts who are normally more prone to committing terrorism. The nutters go on about hook hand but never acknowledge that Finsbury Park Mosque banned him. The established mosques are a fine example of Islam as a honorable World faith for the most part. The population of Muslims in the UK is ever-growing, which is a great thing, it is amazing to have so much diversity in the UK. But Mosques are getting more and more overcrowded as we move with the times. New Mosques have to open every once in a while in order to accommodate everyone, and that is something that cannot and should not be stopped.
And my main issue that lead to me reporting your posts wasn't that, it was the attempt of using my knowledge levels against me that upset me. Because it has nothing to do with this discussion and I shouldn't be made to feel crap over something I clearly am limited too, especially when I have made it clear on this board several times that I am trying to better myself in the political area and have already done so.
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Post by poster J on May 23, 2017 20:32:54 GMT
My post was in no way labelling you anything, I was yet again making a broader point about how this affects all aspects of society and all religions and cultures, which you again seem to have missed. Though having said that your posts are coming across as condoning religious discrimination against Muslims, which sickens me as much as Trump's ban. Your so-called solution would be equally ineffective.
You still haven't explained why this is not a cross-religious problem. Just because there may be fewer examples of acts of hatred and violence from other religions currently in the news doesn't mean that the ones that do exist are any less significant or that they haven't existed in the past. It's undeniable that they have, and they may do so again. Hatred, extremism and irrationality never have been and never will be the preserve of one religion or none, no matter how much one might want to conveniently dump all the blame on a particular group.
If you'd bothered to actually read my post I said I hadn't offered a solution because I don't think there is one, and I am no specialist in counter-extremism and would never profess to be. As I stated, it's equally important to recognise what can never be a solution, and as history has told us time and time again, policies that discriminate against and marginalise certain groups in society do not work, in fact they quite often do the opposite.
And I'm not even going to dignify your last paragraph with a response save to say that it's unsurprisingly full of incorrect assumptions about me and others on here, and frankly I think the tone of your whole post is offensive.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:41:26 GMT
Please all be calm
We all have different opinions
And I don't want people getting upset with each other
Life is too short
As we have seen
We must stick together
Try to be positive
And let people be
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Post by stuartmcd on May 23, 2017 20:47:28 GMT
Threat level raised to critical
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:51:35 GMT
Please everyone be safe when travelling, going to the theatre or concerts or to heavily populated venues for shopping or other recreational activities over the next few weeks, we don't want any of our little family to come to any harm! www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40023488
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 21:01:30 GMT
Please all be calm We all have different opinions And I don't want people getting upset with each other Life is too short As we have seen We must stick together Try to be positive And let people be I think that might be my first ever Parsley "like" 😆 Seriously, everthing he said ^^ We should not be arguing over scum Who don't warrant any of our precious time It's toxic and non productive Instead channel energies into doing good And helping others who have suffered
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Post by d'James on May 23, 2017 21:03:39 GMT
Threat level raised to critical That is worrying.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 21:28:59 GMT
These tabloids need to give poor Ariana a break. I know she is used to being followed by cameras and that being famous brings it on themselves, but they should really have respect and not be taking photos of her leaving the plane as she returned home just to get the first pictures of her since the trauma of the night before. The poor girl was visibly crying, she looks like she hasn't slept since, she must be feeling internally awful, why can't these damn reporters have some respect!
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on May 23, 2017 21:31:35 GMT
Threat level raised to critical That is worrying. Appears to be because they can't rule out that he was part of a larger network.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 21:34:00 GMT
Started crying like a baby in work today when the photos were released of the first confirmed victims on the news. It's awful. So many young lives ended too soon.
Unfortunately there is no right answer to how attacks like this can be stopped in the future without either being completely impractical or sounding incredibly racist.
Been through at least 3 safety lectures from my parents today already about my upcoming London trip. "Avoid tube when possible...don't use the main exits at the theatre...be careful...etc".
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Post by infofreako on May 23, 2017 21:53:43 GMT
I was fragile enough by the end of Rent tonight but when they spoke of a collection at the end for those families affected by injuries or worst the already leaking floodgates succumbed
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Post by Dave25 on May 23, 2017 22:21:14 GMT
It's funny that you talk about people being 'beyond contempt'. I feel the same way about the people who come out of the woodwork whenever there's a terrorist attack to revel in glee if the terrorist turns out to be Muslim. Glee? We revel in total horror when we find out it's a Muslim, because we are, once again, reminded of how brainwashed people can be. This person is formed by people around him and upbringing and convinced that Allah promised him 10 virgins waiting for him in heaven and that he's now a hero. The disconnect from reality is shocking. I've said it and I will say it again: They need to sharpen the law and teach children in every school that your identity is NOT formed by religion.
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Post by wavingthroughawindow on May 23, 2017 22:25:01 GMT
We do not see these Western attacks being carried out by fundamentalists from any other religion It is always young males affiliated with Islam Not Jewish, Hindu, Sikh, Christian, Buddhist There is a problem That is a fact en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
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Post by d'James on May 23, 2017 22:29:41 GMT
The poor families with no news of their missing relatives. At least there was some 'good' news that they found one missing girl, injured but alive.
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Post by thebearofwestend on May 24, 2017 4:20:27 GMT
I am wondering if ISIS gives money for people to do this and punishes when then refuse.
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Post by daniel on May 24, 2017 5:12:02 GMT
Olivia Campbell the latest victim confirmed to have passed away, so terribly sad. 15 years old.
Four fatalities now named, can't even begin to imagine how difficult this must be for rheir friends and families, and the friends and families of those yet to be found.
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Post by bee on May 24, 2017 5:59:21 GMT
Olivia Campbell the latest victim confirmed to have passed away, so terribly sad. 15 years old. Four fatalities now named, can't even begin to imagine how difficult this must be for rheir friends and families, and the friends and families of those yet to be found.
A tweet from this girl's mother showed up on my Twitter feed yesterday morning. It had been retweeted by a journalist that I follow. She was asking for information and lots of well meaning people were trying to help but couldn't really do anything other than send encouraging message ("she's probably just lost her phone", that sort of thing). It was agonising reading the mother's responses, seeing someone's pain and distress played out in public. I felt that I shouldn't be looking at this but kept swiping down hoping to read that she had been found. Eventually I gave up. And now she's gone.
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Post by stefy69 on May 24, 2017 7:09:27 GMT
Olivia Campbell the latest victim confirmed to have passed away, so terribly sad. 15 years old. Four fatalities now named, can't even begin to imagine how difficult this must be for rheir friends and families, and the friends and families of those yet to be found. Oh my! I saw her mum on the TV last night asking for any information poor poor girl.
R I P darling
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Post by kathryn on May 24, 2017 7:32:44 GMT
We do not see these Western attacks being carried out by fundamentalists from any other religion It is always young males affiliated with Islam Not Jewish, Hindu, Sikh, Christian, Buddhist There is a problem That is a fact en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorismMyanmar has been in the news for anti-Muslim violence led by an extreme group of Buddhist monks. Just a reminder: Isis want us to blame all Muslims. They believe that all-out war between Muslims and those of other faiths will lead to a world-wide caliphate. They do not care how many Muslims are killed in the process.
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Post by hulmeman on May 24, 2017 9:46:34 GMT
In my previous post, I mentioned a person I knew slightly was at the concert. This morning it has been revealed that Martyn Hett was killed in the atrocity. I met him twice, he was outrageously funny and a ball of energy. He was a Coronation St fan to such an extent he had a tattoo of "Deidre Barlow" on his leg! He had many friends and was loved by them all. Even though my connection with him was slight, I am deeply saddened by the news.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 10:25:41 GMT
Oh god how heartbreaking. I didn't know him at all, but he was the guy that got Twitter to buy his mum's knitting after an unsuccessful craft fair left her feeling down, right? What a day. What a hellish couple of days.
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