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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 23, 2023 20:04:15 GMT
Before that bit of info I was arriving at the conclusion that in order to like it, you had to ‘get it’. But that seems to indicate that some people who like it, don’t actually ‘get it’?
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Post by intoanewlife on Jul 23, 2023 20:09:59 GMT
Before that bit of info I was arriving at the conclusion that in order to like it, you had to ‘get it’. But that seems to indicate that some people who like it, don’t actually ‘get it’? I doubt anyone who liked it clapped along... I don't think it matters if you didn't pick up every little nuance to enjoy it. I really liked Company, but I have absolutely no idea WTH it was about.
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Post by ladidah on Jul 24, 2023 8:53:30 GMT
I said the same thing when I saw the show, the clapping made me feel uncomfortable because they had clearly missed the point of it.
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Post by jarnew on Jul 24, 2023 10:59:44 GMT
I said the same thing when I saw the show, the clapping made me feel uncomfortable because they had clearly missed the point of it. My god, so it wasnt just at my show this happened lol . It honestly added to the insanity of the whole scene for me though, having some old people in the audience here and there clapping along with THAT
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Post by Matt on Jul 24, 2023 14:00:15 GMT
I feel like clapping along or not isn’t down to your understanding and belief in that specific content, I think it’s a lot down to social compliance. If someone is saying clap along then your instinctive reaction is to do so, and if other people in the audience do it then you feel more encouragement/pressure to.
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Post by ladidah on Jul 24, 2023 14:40:39 GMT
I think the way the song built up, it was like a dawning horror - so to clap regardless of if anyone else did - meant it all went over your head.
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Post by shownut on Jul 24, 2023 15:15:00 GMT
I said the same thing when I saw the show, the clapping made me feel uncomfortable because they had clearly missed the point of it. My god, so it wasnt just at my show this happened lol . It honestly added to the insanity of the whole scene for me though, having some old people in the audience here and there clapping along with THAT You target those clapping as 'old people'....could we be bit more mindful of targeting audience members based on a demographic? A lot of 'old people' go to the theatre en masse and not all of them are ignorant. Thanks.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jul 24, 2023 15:57:26 GMT
My god, so it wasnt just at my show this happened lol . It honestly added to the insanity of the whole scene for me though, having some old people in the audience here and there clapping along with THAT You target those clapping as 'old people'....could we be bit more mindful of targeting audience members based on a demographic? A lot of 'old people' go to the theatre en masse and not all of them are ignorant. Thanks. Yeah a youngish guy in front of me starting clapping. I was even more mortified when later during the final bows that one of the 'thoughts' waved at him, so he obviously had a comped seat.
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Post by properjob on Jul 24, 2023 18:46:50 GMT
I'm glad I've seen it to satisfy my curiosity but it really, really wasn't for me. I think it was just to many steps from my lived experience for me. Also it felt like it could have got going quicker.
I was at the mid week matinee and was moved down to the stalls as my level was closed. I can see why it has been brought over by a subsidised venue rather than a commercial producer but then bringing over award winning shows that are perhaps too niche to be commercial is what the subsidised sector should be doing.
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Post by properjob on Jul 24, 2023 18:50:41 GMT
I feel like clapping along or not isn’t down to your understanding and belief in that specific content, I think it’s a lot down to social compliance. If someone is saying clap along then your instinctive reaction is to do so, and if other people in the audience do it then you feel more encouragement/pressure to. Operation Mincemeat features the Nazi's and there is a bit where it gets to the end of a big number featuring them and has a big finish so everyone claps. This then let's the cast break the 4th wall to say to the audience "really? You're clapping that?" When they have structured the show so you will.
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Post by toomasj on Jul 24, 2023 19:27:36 GMT
I feel like clapping along or not isn’t down to your understanding and belief in that specific content, I think it’s a lot down to social compliance. If someone is saying clap along then your instinctive reaction is to do so, and if other people in the audience do it then you feel more encouragement/pressure to. It sounds like it’s this, a mini Milford experiment or Pavlovian may be closer. If you have people singing an upbeat song, smiling and clapping out towards the audience they will naturally respond with clapping because they are conditioned to do so from musical theatre shows, concerts and pantomime. Additionally, people often have very odd reactions to theatre shows which can vary performance to performance. Laughter is very common at Blood Brothers in the final scene before “Tell Me It’s Not True”. At “Oleanna” I’ve witnessed audience reactions varying from a woman(!) loudly saying “GOOD!” in the dramatic final moments, through to gasps of shock and anger, through to laughter. A combination of factors can be at play, but audiences can be manipulated and are willing to be, it’s all part of the theatre experience.
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Post by jarnew on Jul 25, 2023 2:12:47 GMT
My god, so it wasnt just at my show this happened lol . It honestly added to the insanity of the whole scene for me though, having some old people in the audience here and there clapping along with THAT You target those clapping as 'old people'....could we be bit more mindful of targeting audience members based on a demographic? A lot of 'old people' go to the theatre en masse and not all of them are ignorant. Thanks. Sorry for being so inconsiderate! Most of the audience at my show were on the older side to begin with, so naturally the 5 percent of them that clapped along also were. This was very specific to my performance, im very much aware that this is a small minority. My bad.
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Post by midge on Jul 31, 2023 15:53:44 GMT
Great, have fun! But you couldn't pay me to sit through this whining pity party again. As a gay man I'd rather spend the evening with the "predictable" straights, sorry! 🤣 Well, since the conversation has gone in this direction... As a gay man who grew up in the American Bible Belt in a very religious community, and one who struggled with his sense of self, body image and acceptance of his own sexuality, this show spoke to me a LOT. I envy any gay person who can watch this show and not feel impacted by many facets of the story. If you are an adult member of the LGBTQ+ community who has NOT dealt/struggled with homophobia, a negative self/body image, or a community that, at large, only takes an interest in you if you are what passes for "hot", then bully for you. I hope you know how lucky you truly are and yes, if that is the case, you will probably not connect with this show. But I do find it sad that you consider the subject matter of this show to be a 'whining pity party' when it covers some bold ground for a musical and dares to navigate the form in a new, frank and inventive way. You clearly missed a lot here. I find it very peculiar that people find this to be anything other than a self-indulgent, narcissistic piece. The themes are, for sure, relatable, but the execution is so wrapped up in one person's head we have no sense of who he is to the outside world. He doesn't interact with anyone other than in those pseudo-interactions where his mom is almost some grim caricature. Just because a play says the f and n word a lot doesn't make it frank. I think in this it's quite crass. That final-act set scene was so grim, you could almost see the smug faces of the creative team thinking it was genius. Still, I was happy to look at something other than those doorways.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jul 31, 2023 17:26:34 GMT
Well, since the conversation has gone in this direction... As a gay man who grew up in the American Bible Belt in a very religious community, and one who struggled with his sense of self, body image and acceptance of his own sexuality, this show spoke to me a LOT. I envy any gay person who can watch this show and not feel impacted by many facets of the story. If you are an adult member of the LGBTQ+ community who has NOT dealt/struggled with homophobia, a negative self/body image, or a community that, at large, only takes an interest in you if you are what passes for "hot", then bully for you. I hope you know how lucky you truly are and yes, if that is the case, you will probably not connect with this show. But I do find it sad that you consider the subject matter of this show to be a 'whining pity party' when it covers some bold ground for a musical and dares to navigate the form in a new, frank and inventive way. You clearly missed a lot here. I find it very peculiar that people find this to be anything other than a self-indulgent, narcissistic piece. The themes are, for sure, relatable, but the execution is so wrapped up in one person's head we have no sense of who he is to the outside world. This is whole point of the show.
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Post by midge on Jul 31, 2023 17:37:42 GMT
I find it very peculiar that people find this to be anything other than a self-indulgent, narcissistic piece. The themes are, for sure, relatable, but the execution is so wrapped up in one person's head we have no sense of who he is to the outside world. This is whole point of the show. Sorry, what is? An ego piece? It's exhausting. Why do we want to spend 90 minutes with him?
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Post by matildaswinton on Jul 31, 2023 17:53:12 GMT
This is whole point of the show. Sorry, what is? An ego piece? It's exhausting. Why do we want to spend 90 minutes with him? Okay go back to see Newsies again. Why you gotta hate so loud?
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Post by midge on Jul 31, 2023 18:16:06 GMT
Sorry, what is? An ego piece? It's exhausting. Why do we want to spend 90 minutes with him? Okay go back to see Newsies again. Why you gotta hate so loud? Ah, great discussion had by all!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 31, 2023 18:33:49 GMT
Sorry, what is? An ego piece? It's exhausting. Why do we want to spend 90 minutes with him? Okay go back to see Newsies again. Why you gotta hate so loud? Seriously? Please don’t do this. Disliking a piece and saying why, and then being diminished for it by another member is the absolute antithesis of what this forum is about. If people don’t want to hear opinions that might differ from their own they are in the wrong place.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jul 31, 2023 18:38:12 GMT
This is whole point of the show. Sorry, what is? An ego piece? It's exhausting. Why do we want to spend 90 minutes with him? I enjoyed every second I spent with him. The whole point of the show is that this person lives in his head because he has not ever dealt with the huge amount of trauma he has been through in his life. His brain is literally stuck in a loop, he has no life outside of his head. There is nothing narcissistic about someone going through a mental health crisis. It's meant to be exhausting, imagine living that way.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jul 31, 2023 18:40:44 GMT
Okay go back to see Newsies again. Why you gotta hate so loud? Seriously? Please don’t do this. Disliking a piece and saying why, and then being diminished for it by another member is the absolute antithesis of what this forum is about. If people don’t want to hear opinions that might differ from their own they are in the wrong place. He literally quoted someone else's opinion and had a go at them about it. His entire post was attacking other people's opinions of the show.
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Post by midge on Jul 31, 2023 18:49:10 GMT
Seriously? Please don’t do this. Disliking a piece and saying why, and then being diminished for it by another member is the absolute antithesis of what this forum is about. If people don’t want to hear opinions that might differ from their own they are in the wrong place. He literally quoted someone else's opinion and had a go at them about it. His entire post was attacking other people's opinions of the show. Ah sorry it came across very sharp. My main criticisms weren't of people's opinions, I was just baffled people liked it. I don't think the character is wholly narcissistic, I thought the writer was being so
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Post by intoanewlife on Jul 31, 2023 18:52:38 GMT
He literally quoted someone else's opinion and had a go at them about it. His entire post was attacking other people's opinions of the show. Ah sorry it came across very sharp. My main criticisms weren't of people's opinions, I was just baffled people liked it. I don't think the character is wholly narcissistic, I thought the writer was being so What people like or dislike for whatever reason is none of your business. You could've just come in and posted your review, but you chose a different route...so...
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Post by midge on Jul 31, 2023 18:55:55 GMT
Ah sorry it came across very sharp. My main criticisms weren't of people's opinions, I was just baffled people liked it. I don't think the character is wholly narcissistic, I thought the writer was being so What people like or dislike for whatever reason is none of your business. You could've just come in and posted your review, but you chose a different route...so... And I'm not the one complaining at how you responded to me. Maybe it wasn't best to reply to a post, and I should have just posted thoughts separately. I'm happy that you disagree with me and you got something out of it, it proves that at least someone liked it.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jul 31, 2023 18:59:06 GMT
What people like or dislike for whatever reason is none of your business. You could've just come in and posted your review, but you chose a different route...so... And I'm not the one complaining at how you responded to me. Maybe it wasn't best to reply to a post, and I should have just posted thoughts separately. I'm happy that you disagree with me and you got something out of it, it proves that at least someone liked it. Many people like it, you just didn't.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 31, 2023 19:18:11 GMT
Seriously? Please don’t do this. Disliking a piece and saying why, and then being diminished for it by another member is the absolute antithesis of what this forum is about. If people don’t want to hear opinions that might differ from their own they are in the wrong place. He literally quoted someone else's opinion and had a go at them about it.His entire post was attacking other people's opinions of the show. No, they quoted an opinion and countered it. There was no personal attack of the “go see Newsies instead” variety. That’s what I mean by diminishing. Move the discussion on please. And calm down.
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Post by matildaswinton on Jul 31, 2023 19:32:40 GMT
Okay go back to see Newsies again. Why you gotta hate so loud? Seriously? Please don’t do this. Disliking a piece and saying why, and then being diminished for it by another member is the absolute antithesis of what this forum is about. If people don’t want to hear opinions that might differ from their own they are in the wrong place. With all due respect to the admin team, this extreme snark happens all the time with impunity. I am upset at how vitriolic this thread is becoming for the joy of hurting others who like ASL. People are working so hard to give us this art. Just because one doesn’t like something doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist or that you have the right to berate others for liking it. That’s a very dangerous ideology. Apologies to those those I offended. Midge, I’m sorry I told you to go back to Newsies. I was upset. I hope we can move on. Thank you, admin team, for letting us have this space to celebrate the arts.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 31, 2023 19:46:04 GMT
And now, let’s move on.
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Post by Matt on Jul 31, 2023 20:55:19 GMT
Kyles last performance is 11th August, do they have a 2nd cover for Usher? I’d expect other Kyle is taking over, so they will need another understudy.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jul 31, 2023 21:04:21 GMT
Kyles last performance is 11th July, do they have a 2nd cover for Usher? I’d expect other Kyle is taking over, so they will need another understudy. 11th of August?
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Post by Matt on Jul 31, 2023 21:38:44 GMT
Kyles last performance is 11th July, do they have a 2nd cover for Usher? I’d expect other Kyle is taking over, so they will need another understudy. 11th of August? My bad, yeah august, thanks.
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