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Post by showoff on Oct 4, 2017 9:28:04 GMT
Looking at the Facebook page for Hamilton and all the comments seems a lot of people have got even worse alternatives than me, so guess I just need to be grateful I got something. ...and this is exactly what they want you to be! Grateful for being screwed over but ooh you managed to squeeze little old me in..gee thanks. Quite why anyone should be grateful is beyond me other than the few who have ended up with better seats. They may still have lost out on travel/hotel bookings etc. I’m writing to Watchdog! Face it; they’ve messed up. They released the tickets for sale far too early before having concrete timescales and they are now facing the consequences. Social media has made us all desperate to be the first to ‘check in’ at “Hamilton”, rather than having even the tiniest bit of chill. Hoisted by our own potade again! I doubt watchdog will care one bit to be quite honest. You can have a ticket, or have a refund, it's not the end of the world.
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Post by showoff on Sept 30, 2017 17:35:24 GMT
Another is, well, the UK is the bad guy too, so a UK audience is watching us lose the war, so I wonder if it will impact on how it is received too, small things, it doesn't matter to me at all, but, well, this is post brexit Britain..... Didn't seem to have an effect on Miss Saigon's success when it first opened on Broadway, and they'd lost that war less than 20 years before. I said I don't know. Also, as I said, post brexit, the country's in a strange place. You never know, things can factor in. Personally, I agree with Hamilton, they tax us relentlessly and our royalty goes on a spending spree....
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Post by showoff on Sept 30, 2017 17:28:57 GMT
Or perhaps it won't catch on here because it's just not as good as the hype suggests it is? Yep. I just said it. Could anything, ever, be as good as the hype they received? I don't think there's anything on earth that could live up to that.
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Post by showoff on Sept 30, 2017 17:14:00 GMT
How much do you know about the June Rebellion, out of interest? A lack of public familiarity in the history never did Les Mis any harm. "We just don't know the history" is an absolute 100% non-argument. All that matters is how good a show is and how much it connects with the audience. I do agree with this, but, just something about it, I'm not sure if it will connect as well as in the US for a few reasons, one being, the audiences do love to see these people come to life. Another is, well, the UK is the bad guy too, so a UK audience is watching us lose the war, so I wonder if it will impact on how it is received too, small things, it doesn't matter to me at all, but, well, this is post brexit Britain..... I don't think you can dismiss something as 100% non factor, it's not everything, but it 'could' impact on it, that's all. For me, it's one of many things.
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Post by showoff on Sept 30, 2017 14:29:50 GMT
I'm waiting for these tickets to be sorted out as I want to buy some myself, but they'll have their hands full organising everyone into their dates and seats that I'll wait it out for a bit.
I was never that fussed on Hamilton, not sure why, I actually like rap/hip hop, but I didn't get it. But I was watching some bits, listening to the songs, and now I'm completely hooked, with a bit of an obsession with Daveed Diggs, I mean......! So I've watched the whole thing and really love it.
The only thing I think is, with the OBC they bottled lightening, they just worked so well with each other, it was so natural and the roles suited them so well, they were made just for them, most of them have rapped together for years before this. I hope it captures a lot of that and isn't a poor imitation, but hopefully it will be amazing. I'm really looking forward to it.
I do wonder, as some have voiced here, if it will be so successful over here after the initial rush. I just wonder if people over here will be that invested in a show detailing American history, I know it's not taught over there either, but you know the names of these people, and you have more of an investment. I will most likely be quite wrong, but it's something I wonder.
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Post by showoff on Sept 19, 2017 17:28:15 GMT
Clearly it's not ideal, but there is enough warning. Really, how many people have booked that many things already and losing that much money? I would expect it's minimal, it's mostly 'I could have booked and lost money.' To be frank, you could book everything, come to London and then the show is cancelled for technical reasons on the night, things happen, life isn't always perfect, but they're making sure everyone gets a ticket and to see the show, which, really, is what everyone wanted. I know of people flying in from the USA and Australia who may not agree the money they've spent is minimal. I'm not sure, but in my mind, if you can afford to fly into a country just to watch a preview of a musical, money mustn't be a shortage, so the relatively small amount lost cannot be the end of the world to them, surely? Especially as Hamilton is actually on in multiple places in the US right now with the shows and tour. As the poster above said, you know it's risky on previews, surely, I mean you could be watching a show that has quite a few kinks in it still too.
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Post by showoff on Sept 19, 2017 17:08:50 GMT
Clearly it's not ideal, but there is enough warning.
Really, how many people have booked that many things already and losing that much money? I would expect it's minimal, it's mostly 'I could have booked and lost money.'
To be frank, you could book everything, come to London and then the show is cancelled for technical reasons on the night, things happen, life isn't always perfect, but they're making sure everyone gets a ticket and to see the show, which, really, is what everyone wanted.
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Post by showoff on Sept 19, 2017 15:48:58 GMT
I do feel that those affected are meant to feel grateful that this is being done for them, like it is somehow their own fault. This exactly! The cost of travel, sightseeing if not local, other shows if a matinee/ evening is available, hotels etc. I dread to think how much this change has cost people. It is also mad that if I hadn't read this board I would still be worrying about which date I had been given. If the seats have been reassigned the least they could do is tell us as soon as this is the case rather than having to go digging into the ticket master account on a computer because the relevant page doesn't show up on my iPhone. Would it really be that much? Sightseeing? If you've booked something already you can always exchange the date. The same for hotels and travel down. I've managed to exchange all of those things to other dates on various occasions without any loss of money.
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Post by showoff on Sept 18, 2017 10:37:20 GMT
Saw this today. Got a cheap ticket in the back row of the stalls but huge chunks were unsold so everyone moved forward. I enjoyed it. Beautiful dance routines. Loved the staging. Loved Ashley Day. Yes he is cheesy but it works. Loved Jack Wilcox on as Adam as I'm a fan of his anyway. Zoe Rainey was also superb. I did enjoy it a lot but would I go back? Probably not. Did I go back to 42nd Street? Yes. Can two dance shows in big barns survive? I hope so but I'm not sure. Is it that bad? So I'm guessing if I wanted to see the matinee last minute, there would be enough tickets for decent seats the day of or the day before?
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Post by showoff on Sept 17, 2017 20:31:42 GMT
Ooops, just read they've been bumped from second to last row, to second row in dress. This is surely an upgrade if anything, even if it's now on the side. Although if you phone up to complain about it, no doubt they'll quite be happy to exchange for seats further back, no doubt the biggest complaint will be those who were near the front being moved towards the back. It's the issue of being moved to seats that are potentially going to have a restricted view. Obviously no-one can say for certain either way at the moment, and I hope that in the refurb they'll have thought about minimising restrictions. I'm grateful to have tickets at all, but I'm not going to pretend that it won't be disappointing if I end up with a restricted view, when I booked my original seats in order to have a 'full' view of the stage/set. Anyway, these new seats aren't even definite yet, and wherever I'm sat I can't know what the view will be like until I'm actually in the seat, so I shall just hope for the best. The boost you have from being near the front will most likely far outweigh being central at the back. The view at the very back is usually obstructed anyway, because there are just so many people in front of you, not to mention people getting up and down during the show, which you get a lot more of in these more popular, far reaching musicals.
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Post by showoff on Sept 17, 2017 18:09:45 GMT
Think this was uncalled for. When people save up to spend a lot of money on a ticket they are entitled to be peeved if they end up getting a restricted view when they originally chose an unrestricted view seat. I half agree with you, however considering what is going on with this, keeping the same row is basically the best result you are going to get, people are not getting similar seats at all, so, although this is less than ideal, it seems to be something everyone is going to have to put up with to some degree. Ooops, just read they've been bumped from second to last row, to second row in dress. This is surely an upgrade if anything, even if it's now on the side. Although if you phone up to complain about it, no doubt they'll quite be happy to exchange for seats further back, no doubt the biggest complaint will be those who were near the front being moved towards the back.
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Post by showoff on Sept 17, 2017 16:39:06 GMT
Is your purse too big for your fifty pound notes? Are your diamond shoes too tight? 😂 I wonder if this tells us where the additional seats have been fitted in? Think this was uncalled for. When people save up to spend a lot of money on a ticket they are entitled to be peeved if they end up getting a restricted view when they originally chose an unrestricted view seat. I half agree with you, however considering what is going on with this, keeping the same row is basically the best result you are going to get, people are not getting similar seats at all, so, although this is less than ideal, it seems to be something everyone is going to have to put up with to some degree.
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Post by showoff on Aug 2, 2017 20:41:02 GMT
I'm so glad to see others here have found this show, I'm quite late on to it, but just love it, it's so different and clever.
I love some of the songs, my favourite is the same as you OP, the love triangles, it's so well put together, I love that even the guys are worried about her! Also the JAP battle, not to mention the brilliance that is the Sexy getting ready song.
It's a refreshing change of pace to most things you see on tv, I like the diversity of the characters, and they are all so heavily flawed at times, but the musical elements bring it back up. All except Josh, I'm not a fan, he's too 2D, which I'm guessing is deliberate on the writers part, to keep him as this ideal that will make her life so perfect, he cannot really be a real, well rounded person.
So yes, another fan here.
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Post by showoff on Aug 2, 2017 17:06:50 GMT
Has anyone watched the TV show Crazy Ex Girlfriend? It's on Netflix at the moment.
It's a show which includes origanal musical numbers and is quite quirky.
There's some good songs in it, and it's quite good escapism.
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Post by showoff on Aug 2, 2017 17:03:14 GMT
I so wanted to watch this as I love the book.
I recorded it on tivo and had so many to catch up on, but could never bring myself to as I know how grim it is, and I believe they have gone even further in this than the book.
How the world is at the moment, it just seems a little too much.
I hope I can get to it eventually, but it's so long all together that I think I'll wait until they world appears to be a better place.
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Post by showoff on Jul 25, 2017 13:31:47 GMT
I can only comment on Amber in the show. And i only saw her once. I would say her vocals were amazing and flawless and blew everyone away, certainly in the interval that's all anyone was talking about, however i do agree with the comments she could do with putting more emotion into the acting side of the performance, that was something a little bit missing for me. I saw Marisha in The Color Purple concert and emotion wasn't something anyone had to worry about with her, she put every ounce of herself and her effort into the role, so as a performance overall, great, but honestly vocally not for me at all. I would say if you mixed Marisha and Amber together you'd probably have a perfect performer/Effie. I've only seen Amber. As you said, her voice is perfection, truly amazing. From the dress circle though, I got absolutely no performance from her, her eyeline is forever low, so she really doesn't reach back, God knows about those in the God's. I missed something in the performance, as there's so much to play with with Effie.
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Post by showoff on Jun 29, 2017 8:13:18 GMT
From what I saw of it, the theatre looked to be in wonderful condition in the front of house, so much so I remarked on it.
I'm guessing it's for the stage and backstage areas.
It seemed in fine shape, especially compared to the Savoy, which seems very dated now, but not in a good way. Things are looking quite shabby over there.
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Post by showoff on Jun 26, 2017 14:41:31 GMT
I have a question about the London staging of "AIATY". It seems very weird that Effie sings the whole part "stay with me, stay with me, please stay and hold me mr. man, try Mister,, try Mister I know, I now, I know you can", when Curtis already left the building. These are lines about (physical) affection, one would say in someone's face. It doesn't make sense to sing these to yourself. All the other lines in the song have some kind of "broader" meaning, but these do not. Basically, Curtis walks away on the exact wrong point so the verse does not make sense anymore. The moment where he walks away in the OBC is right after that verse, on the accent in the music, which is so much more powerful. Can anyone explain this odd choice? Yes, I agree. I found the staging quite off putting though. The mirrors on the table were quite high, I just felt they distracted me, and like you say, those words should be pleaded to someone who is there still.
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Post by showoff on Jun 20, 2017 18:06:56 GMT
The Dominion is also a barn though, so it's meaningless to compare with any other show. I don't understand the need to be so constantly negative in comparing sales! In fact Drury Lane seats 100 MORE than Dominion Therefore not really meaningless And my point was a show with "three thousand five star reviews" Is failing to pack out the venue Any my wider point being this show was always a mistake in that venue If you cannot pack RDL either and have to shut the balcony,surely it was also a mistake to house 42nd Street in that venue as well?
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Post by showoff on Jun 20, 2017 14:00:58 GMT
It is now on TKTS with reduction The seating plans show swathes of unsold seats At least 42nd Street are able to shut off the balcony And move people down a level They have also amended their pricing and the dynamic nature means the discounts on TKTS have been removed for now They would rather offer the same price to customers buying directly a few days ahead The Dominion has no such options Why compare the two? If you have to shut the balcony it's not that different surely? Likewise amending prices too, surely there's not much difference to discounting? I don't see why the need to compare.
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Post by showoff on Jun 14, 2017 10:02:49 GMT
I saw this a couple of weeks ago on a Wednesday. Cannot speak for the balcony, dress was almost full. I had the full cast in their roles.
Really enjoyed the show, but for some reason, just didn't love it as much as everyone else on here. It's brilliant, but just didn't give me that feeling. As a tapper myself, I'd been waiting for something like this for a while.
I didn't mind the weak book, it's nothing that you don't get in a lot of musicals. Although I didn't buy the Peggy and Julian storyline at all, and it kind of creeped me out, he seems overbearing in the lullaby of Broadway, it's strange, he sings it in almost a sinister way and she's sitting there meekly (just my take on it).
One little mistake was they turned Sheena's mic off during her song.
I love the theatre though, I've never been there and loved the saloon. It's very airy and it was a lovely day, everything looked beautiful. No trying to snatch a seat before you go in, there's a lot of tables and chairs. Also audience were impeccable. Not one person moved from their seats in either half, no steward had to run over to someone on their phone. It was so refreshing after a truly awful experience at dreamgirls. The audience was very much older though, at thirty I was the youngest there by a long way. But it was so welcome to have an audience like this one.
I may go back, but I'm not itching to,which puts me in the minority.
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Post by showoff on Jun 13, 2017 20:49:42 GMT
This was so bad, I kind of enjoyed it in a way.
The amount of things they left out was crazy, only to add bits nobody would have called for. Why on earth have the parents sing the last bit time of my life?
She couldn't dance and he couldn't lift her. They had no chemistry at all. They missed out her little speech in his room, Lisa's Hula song, the dance part of them in the studio to love is strange,him kicking down the thing to break the car window. Also her mother doesn't say 'I think she gets it from me', no 'she can't even do the meringue' and he doesn't hit Robbie!
Add in the mum and dad singing, and all of the reworked songs.
It was awful, but I'm glad I saw it in all it's awful glory!
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Post by showoff on May 10, 2017 12:47:13 GMT
I've actually known very well known people post on forums, not just in musical theatre. Goodness me Haven't they anything better to do?? (This is a joke) See the show if you can The production values are amazing And I would hope you would have a lovely time and enjoy yourself Which is after all the main point of theatre! Even if you didn't like every single aspect of it There are some very famous and prominent people with their own forums too, who sign up and become members themselves under a different guise. I am not talking about the theatre world alone here. I know of certain leading stars of shows who have signed up to forums to pretend to be a fan of theirs. People are all the same deep down,all wanting to be lived, admired or agreed with. No matter if they are a star turn, investors or fans. I was looking forward to seeing the show. I just believe that you could maybe go easier on people who have a differing opinion to your own.
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Post by showoff on May 10, 2017 12:31:31 GMT
Oh, I actually think I will love it. It's my type of show, but I don't mind seeing something I'm not going to fall in love with,like TM says, it let's you see what you do love and opens your eyes to other things. No, it's actually the attitude of the producers on here that has firmly put me off seeing the show. I doubt ANY producer of ANY show Will be posting on a message board People involved in shows at some minor or indirect level perhaps Or friends and family of cast Furriers perhaps No one any higher than that I've actually known very well known people post on forums, not just in musical theatre.
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Post by showoff on May 10, 2017 12:03:27 GMT
Some people know the price of everything and the value of nothing. Great minds think alike. I must have been writing my post as yours went up.
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Post by showoff on May 10, 2017 11:56:48 GMT
Well I went last night and was very underwhelmed. I love a tap dance, so I went into this thinking I would love it. Flimsy stories are fine with me, and I absolutely adored Top Hat for its spectacle despite not the strongest book, and I know you shouldn't go in thinking 'because I like x show I should like this one', but not even the tap dancing could make me like this. The story was non-existant. I had never seen the show, but even before it started I just knew how it would end. The cast were average at best. Sheena Easton, nice voice, dull actress. Tom Lister, nice voice again, but just didn't charm me. Norman Bowman, charming and incredibly wasted. Christopher Howell annoyed me, even more did the western guy who seems made about Dorothy. I can't remember the female composer in the shows name, but she didn't wow me either. The only star in this is Clare Halse, a good but not great voice, but a brilliant tapper. I could keep my eyes off of her, and she is genuinely a likeable girl, and with time and more big roles she will be spectacular. The sets were nice, having watched the trailer I was surprised from my row B stalls seat that some of them looked a little flimsy. Maybe my expectations were too high. The train station set and the steps at the end scenes were spectacular to look at - it's a shame they could only be used once in the story though. Dancing very good, the choreography is really one of the few truly brilliant things about this show. It is stunning, even if it did look a bit lost on the stage - a theatre the size of the Prince Edward would have been better in my opinion even though it would probably lack the logistics for the set etc. Also great was hearing a proper orchestra. The forgettable score sounded brilliant, which I guess is something. Overall, a good but not great show. I'm glad I only paid £15 for row B stalls, had I paid more I would have been disappointed, especially as my mind did start to wonder at numerous points. 2.5 stars. If you want to hear a "proper orchestra" Going to a WE show is probably the wrong venue to be attending I am also surprised someone found Top Hat to have "spectacle" In comparison to 42nd Street Then again many people would not be able to tell Primark from Marni And then again, there are some, oftentimes the foolish, who believe that just because something is very expensive, it means it is always of high quality. There is often a very big difference between what something costs and what something is worth.
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Post by showoff on May 10, 2017 11:46:28 GMT
No, it's actually the attitude of the producers on here that has firmly put me off seeing the show. Producers on here? Do you mean other board posters? I was thinking you meant the producers of the show - the people putting it on! Apologies, yes the posters on here, who are financially invested in the musical. Yes, these people are actually turning me off of going with their forceful and often rude remarks towards anyone who has gone and does not believe it to be the best thing on at the moment.
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Post by showoff on May 10, 2017 11:14:33 GMT
To be perfectly honest, I read the post in the exact same way, that it was a cheaper and low quality seat, so the opinion of the poster was therefore less valid. I actually logged on because of it and to say it came over as low class. Everyone should be entitled to an opinion on the show they saw. I'm a little shocked at the response to those who do not gush about the show, it seems the posters pick on that person for expressing how they felt. I have to say, I have tickets for a few weeks time, the producers of this show as represented on this thread have made me reconsider going. It's ugly. Go, really do! You may love it, all I have been trying to proclaim here is that everyone loves different things. I personally like going to shows not knowing if I will or will not like them, it's part of the excitement before hand. Oh, I actually think I will love it. It's my type of show, but I don't mind seeing something I'm not going to fall in love with,like TM says, it let's you see what you do love and opens your eyes to other things. No, it's actually the attitude of the producers on here that has firmly put me off seeing the show.
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Post by showoff on May 10, 2017 10:56:02 GMT
Thank you Tibidabozak97, what i'd give to have up to £20 a week to spare. Though i dont think the comment was meant as a dig at people who cant afford better seats either so that must have taken some reading between the lines. I will try to take a bit of a break from here and it is entirely down to 2 or 3 posters, for now I'm off to block them and hide in my happy place To be perfectly honest, I read the post in the exact same way, that it was a cheaper and low quality seat, so the opinion of the poster was therefore less valid. I actually logged on because of it and to say it came over as low class. Everyone should be entitled to an opinion on the show they saw. I'm a little shocked at the response to those who do not gush about the show, it seems the posters pick on that person for expressing how they felt. I have to say, I have tickets for a few weeks time, the producers of this show as represented on this thread have made me reconsider going. It's ugly.
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Post by showoff on Apr 18, 2017 18:23:29 GMT
'The gold taps' are shorthand for gold-coloured tap shoes. The tap part is whatever normal metal is used. The red coat for "Plenty of Money" is part fur part fake fur and was made, not hired from Cosprop or Angels. I see, but that doesn't make any sense as to the other persons posts, gold coloured tap shoes are not 'no expense spared', they can be the same price, or cheaper then pkain black.
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