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Post by Nicholas on Oct 11, 2019 12:17:36 GMT
I bloody love Naked Attraction. Big fan of tattoos? Big fan of naked people. These days, I take what I can get.
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Post by peggs on Oct 13, 2019 15:32:38 GMT
Has the national done away with it's water whatsit on the bar as they have decided people were taking too much free water away so now it's just jugs and glasses? There is one in the kitchen I know but it's smaller and you don't waste a load of water trying to fill your bottle up there and in my defence I was actually going to see a show there.
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Post by Xanderl on Oct 13, 2019 15:54:56 GMT
Would be odd if they are trying to discourage people from refilling water bottles given they have just made a big thing of declaring a climate emergency! I noticed it had been removed last time I was there - maybe it just broke or was a hassle to maintain? Still plenty of water available on the bar though.
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Post by peggs on Oct 13, 2019 19:48:41 GMT
Much harder to fill a bottle from but I take your point, I expect it probably did just break or something.
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Post by justfran on Oct 17, 2019 20:09:04 GMT
Matthew Bourne's New Adventures have an initiative called Green Adventures and working with Julie's Bicycle their recent tour of Swan Lake was the first creative green certified tour. They have green champions among their dancers and creative staff. new-adventures.net/about-us/green-adventures
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Post by Xanderl on Oct 23, 2019 6:03:38 GMT
Agree with the principle of reducing the use of these but I'm not sure how this will work ... Royal Court to ban visitors from bringing single-use bottlesTranslation: "We are nannying people" So - if I turn up at the Royal Court and happen to have a single use bottle of water (which actually I may have already refilled several times, but anyway ...) Vicky will search me for this contraband and make me throw it away. But it's fine for me to buy another one as soon as I leave the theatre. So that'll help!
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Post by Dawnstar on Oct 23, 2019 18:35:14 GMT
I really hope that doesn't spread to other theatres. I always carry water in so-called single use plastic bottles, which I actually use many times over, because they are much lighter to carry around. This is especially relevent when I'm out for 12 hours double-show theatregoing down to London & set out with nearly 2 litres of water with me.
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Post by Jon on Oct 23, 2019 18:47:16 GMT
I wonder if the RC will be selling a reusable bottle in exchange for your single use bottle
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Post by peggs on Nov 2, 2019 8:53:58 GMT
National launching e tickets now.
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Post by lynette on Nov 2, 2019 14:32:39 GMT
Yes I saw that about the tickets. I usually like a proper ticket but I suppose I'll get used to having the tic on my phone. I’m wondering about when I give the tickets away though or when I return them. How will that work? And they used to make you actually return the ticket before a refund or a change. What will they do now? Presumably you will still have the original booking on your phone? I’m a bit lacking in the techie ( ask fellow mods) so it might just be simples.
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Post by Jon on Nov 2, 2019 15:47:31 GMT
I’m surprised the National didn’t do it sooner. Nimax are considering it and ATG are trialling it next year so it seems more theatres will be adopting it. When I saw Moulin Rouge on Broadway, they had mobile tickets which could be stored on the wallet app on my iPhone so I hope that happens here.
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Post by peggs on Nov 2, 2019 21:09:04 GMT
Maybe if they're electronic they can just cancel and re-issue so it won't matter that people have the e-ticket as it wouldn't let them in? I did wonder today if it will mean more people wandering around lost in the auditorium, the e-tickets I've had they just scan them, they aren't looking to see what they say (that would be difficult due to size) and directing people. I joined in and started directing people today, the usher seemed to take an age with people and the stage seating at the Old Vic had people thrown.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 17:33:53 GMT
I wonder if the RC will be selling a reusable bottle in exchange for your single use bottle I HATE the new plastic bottle ban at Royal Court. I think it's disgusting and dictatorial. I always buy a bottle of water from the nearest supermarket before going to theatre because I'm not going to be ripped off. I am not about to use some gross public water tap and a reusable bottle. I don't even want to think about the germs! Wont be visiting the Royal Court anytime soon. I won't be nannied by any theatre.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 17:36:44 GMT
I think the introduction of e tickets is over the top. Why not just print on recycled paper if they are that concerned? Paper tickets are nice to keep as a memento, especially when I don't have the money to spend on an overpriced programme. Damn, I would even pay 50p to a £1 for a printed ticket. I think it's utterly ridiculous.
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Post by Jon on Nov 3, 2019 17:57:20 GMT
I think the introduction of e tickets is over the top. Why not just print on recycled paper if they are that concerned? Paper tickets are nice to keep as a memento, especially when I don't have the money to spend on an overpriced programme. Damn, I would even pay 50p to a £1 for a printed ticket. I think it's utterly ridiculous. Most industries whether it be travel or entertainment to have e-tickets. It's not just being eco-friendly, it's saves a lot of money on postage and admin not having physical tickets and for many people, having their tickets on their phone means one less thing to worry about.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Nov 3, 2019 18:01:00 GMT
Given that an e-ticket operation requires each usher to be provided with an electronic device with which to check the e-tickets, then this should clearly be factored into the environmental impact assessment of such a move. These devices will require regular charging. These devices will also inevitably require replacements - thus generating unrecyclable devices.
Yes, it looks green to do away with paper/card tickets. But those tickets are very easily recycled and the technology to produce them will still have to be in operation as not everyone has access to the technology to deal with e-tickets. Indeed having seen an e-ticket trial at a local venue, more than half the people turning up had printed out - on a sheet of A4 paper - a copy of each ticket for their party.
E-tickets feel like an easy bit of virtue signalling rather than a real solution to a huge issue. Fine to offer then as an option, if you must - but they do not come free of an environmental impact.
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Post by Jon on Nov 3, 2019 18:07:47 GMT
Given that an e-ticket operation requires each usher to be provided with an electronic device with which to check the e-tickets, then this should clearly be factored into the environmental impact assessment of such a move. These devices will require regular charging. These devices will also inevitably require replacements - thus generating unrecyclable devices. Yes, it looks green to do away with paper/card tickets. But those tickets are very easily recycled and the technology to produce them will still have to be in operation as not everyone has access to the technology to deal with e-tickets. Indeed having seen an e-ticket trial at a local venue, more than half the people turning up had printed out - on a sheet of A4 paper - a copy of each ticket for their party. E-tickets feel like an easy bit of virtue signalling rather than a real solution to a huge issue. Fine to offer then as an option, if you must - but they do not come free of an environmental impact. It's interesting that theatre has been slow to adopt e-tickets whereas other industries has embraced it. On a recent holiday, my train ticket, my plane boarding pass and my theatre ticket was all stored on my Wallet app on my phone and honestly it's great not to worry about printing your ticket at home or having to queue at the box office.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Nov 3, 2019 18:12:30 GMT
Given that an e-ticket operation requires each usher to be provided with an electronic device with which to check the e-tickets, then this should clearly be factored into the environmental impact assessment of such a move. These devices will require regular charging. These devices will also inevitably require replacements - thus generating unrecyclable devices. Yes, it looks green to do away with paper/card tickets. But those tickets are very easily recycled and the technology to produce them will still have to be in operation as not everyone has access to the technology to deal with e-tickets. Indeed having seen an e-ticket trial at a local venue, more than half the people turning up had printed out - on a sheet of A4 paper - a copy of each ticket for their party. E-tickets feel like an easy bit of virtue signalling rather than a real solution to a huge issue. Fine to offer then as an option, if you must - but they do not come free of an environmental impact. It's interesting that theatre has been slow to adopt e-tickets whereas other industries has embraced it. On a recent holiday, my train ticket, my plane boarding pass and my theatre ticket was all stored on my Wallet app on my phone and honestly it's great not to worry about printing your ticket at home or having to queue at the box office. There is no doubt that they work well in certain circumstances and for a good number of people. But physical theatre tickets are by far the simplest way for theatregoers to gain access to the show for which they have booked. Sometimes the technological solution isn't the best option. And I am not convinced that in the case of theatre tickets, that e-tickets are that much of an environmental improvement.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 19:29:59 GMT
It's interesting that theatre has been slow to adopt e-tickets whereas other industries has embraced it. On a recent holiday, my train ticket, my plane boarding pass and my theatre ticket was all stored on my Wallet app on my phone and honestly it's great not to worry about printing your ticket at home or having to queue at the box office. There is no doubt that they work well in certain circumstances and for a good number of people. But physical theatre tickets are by far the simplest way for theatregoers to gain access to the show for which they have booked. Sometimes the technological solution isn't the best option. And I am not convinced that in the case of theatre tickets, that e-tickets are that much of an environmental improvement. And ALOT of the theatregoing audience are older who (I am not intending to sound ageist) don't like or don't bother with technology. You risk alienating a massive percentage of audience members. I think getting rid of paper tickets is unnecessary and overkill. What about focusing on renewable energy for their buildings? So many other areas they focus on rather than the humble ticket. I agree that all tickets could be at the box office, no matter what. That would save on postage and any other things that occur as a result.
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Post by Jon on Nov 3, 2019 19:43:47 GMT
And ALOT of the theatregoing audience are older who (I am not intending to sound ageist) don't like or don't bother with technology. You risk alienating a massive percentage of audience members. I think getting rid of paper tickets is unnecessary and overkill. What about focusing on renewable energy for their buildings? So many other areas they focus on rather than the humble ticket. I agree that all tickets could be at the box office, no matter what. That would save on postage and any other things that occur as a result. Saying e-tickets are unnecessary is like suggesting the abacus is better than the calculator or a horse and carriage is better than a car.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Nov 3, 2019 20:07:54 GMT
Not all change is necessarily for the better. Quite often you make losses as well as gains.
The idea that a technological solution is by necessity the best possible one is not always true.
There might be an inevitability to e-ticketing in theatres but that does not necessarily make it the best way forward for audience members. Some will love it. Some will resent it. Most will just get on with it.
But we don't all have smart phones or similar devices and until we do, there will have to be some sort of hybrid system.
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Post by Dawnstar on Nov 3, 2019 20:08:01 GMT
Most industries whether it be travel or entertainment to have e-tickets. It's not just being eco-friendly, it's saves a lot of money on postage and admin not having physical tickets and for many people, having their tickets on their phone means one less thing to worry about.
Try having OCD. For me e-tickets are one more thing to worry about. The only time I tried using one the usher took hold of my phone. I had disinfect my phone when I got home afterwards. I certainly do not want to do that on a weekly basis! Now if I am only given an e-ticket option I have to go to the box office & ask for my ticket to be printed out, explaining why I do not want to be showing my phone to an usher. If theatres go e-ticket only am I supposed to buy a second phone for "public use"? That's hardly environmentally friendly.
As a side note: what if someone's phone battery dies just before they get to the theatre? No entry? A piece of card isn't going to run out of power!
Also, what about people who don't have smartphones? Theatre audiences, especially regionally, tend to skew older, which coincides with the group of people by age who are least likely to have smartphones. Any regional theatre that tries to go to e-tickets only will really be shooting themselves in the foot with that one.
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Post by The Matthew on Nov 3, 2019 20:51:50 GMT
I struggle to see how avoiding paper tickets is a significant benefit for the environment. A quick bit of measuring and weighing suggests that one week's circulation of my town's local free newspaper uses up as much paper as 12 to 14 years of tickets in a medium-sized theatre.
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Post by peggs on Nov 3, 2019 21:45:28 GMT
I admit where I've had e-tickets I've printed them out anyway as I don't trust that I won't forget/lose my phone or it'll flatten and die, plus for some months my phone refused to let me onto my email so had no way to get an e-ticket onto my phone. So i'm still printing the tickets but now means I have to find access to a printer. Neither of my parents have phones let alone smart phones. I guess i'll get used to it but currently it makes me panic more and results in endless checking that it's still on my phone.
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Post by showgirl on Nov 4, 2019 4:35:31 GMT
Not all e-tickets require scanning: for instance, at the Park Theatre, you simply show the usher your ticket on your device. However, what I do find inconvenient is having to ensure I've downloaded and opened the attachment and have it ready to present while I'm queueing for the auditorium to open. Wasteful of my phone battery and I'm always afraid the image will disappear just as I need it. With the reserved seating in the larger space a delay wouldn't matter but for the unreserved seating in the smaller one I want to be in asap to get an aisle seat.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 17:06:17 GMT
Not all e-tickets require scanning: for instance, at the Park Theatre, you simply show the usher your ticket on your device. However, what I do find inconvenient is having to ensure I've downloaded and opened the attachment and have it ready to present while I'm queueing for the auditorium to open. Wasteful of my phone battery and I'm always afraid the image will disappear just as I need it. With the reserved seating in the larger space a delay wouldn't matter but for the unreserved seating in the smaller one I want to be in asap to get an aisle seat. Going off topic, but I never understand why theatre don't always scan tickets when they have a barcode or sometimes they don't rip them. If they don't scan them, someone could easily duplicate the ticket and just sit in an empty seat. Ushers won't remember what tickets they have seen. When tickets are scanned, they know how many people have turned up, whether they should wait 5 minutes for any latecomers or not. At least with paper tickets that have to be collected from a box office, they can see black and white infront of them how many are left. In my personal opinion, to have mandatory E-Tickets would put me off going to a certain theatre. It's overkill. Sure, have it as a option but don't make people choose e tickets. One of the many bug bears I have with the Old Vic.
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