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Post by theatrefan62 on Nov 29, 2022 7:17:36 GMT
It really isn't though, it's not comparing crimes in this instance (that's a separate issue), its comparing gender identity journeys.
It's certainly no more ridiculous than saying because there was no internet history it can't possibly be true. Surely we aren't still of the mindset everyone has an online presence.
Either way, whatever the gender identity it doesn't excuse killing people.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 7:23:07 GMT
That really doesn't hold water as an argument when you look at the whole amendment. It says: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. The necessity for a well regulated Militia ceased many, many decades ago. Therefore the need to allow people to keep and bear arms also ceased to be necessary let alone desirable. There is nothing in the 2nd Amendment that protects the right of the citizen to own firearms given that there is no citizen militia. It is time for the US to grow up and wean themselves off this addiction. Because it is exactly that. A murderous addiction.
Hey, it's not my argument. It's the prevailing opinion in the American court system, one that has shaped public policy for decades.
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Post by kathryn on Nov 29, 2022 12:22:18 GMT
Either way, whatever the gender identity it doesn't excuse killing people. This is the key point I think people need to get their heads around. It’s not ‘Trans’ = victimised, marginalised, therefore always good, and ‘cis’ = powerful, oppressor, and therefore bad. That’s a simplistic view of the world that doesn’t relate to real life. Trans people can do bad things, and so can cis people. Trans people can even be privileged and use that to their advantage (Caitlyn Jenner, anyone?). It’s certainly not the case that all ‘LGBTQ+’ people are one big happy family who don’t have interpersonal conflict, philosophical disagreements, mental health conditions, personality disorders, or political beliefs that could lead them to behave in violent and abusive ways. Being trans or gay or ‘genderqueer’ is not a get-out-of-jail-free card. A non-binary mass murderer is still a mass-murderer!
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Post by vdcni on Dec 1, 2022 23:21:55 GMT
Either way, whatever the gender identity it doesn't excuse killing people. This is the key point I think people need to get their heads around. It’s not ‘Trans’ = victimised, marginalised, therefore always good, and ‘cis’ = powerful, oppressor, and therefore bad. That’s a simplistic view of the world that doesn’t relate to real life. Trans people can do bad things, and so can cis people. Trans people can even be privileged and use that to their advantage (Caitlyn Jenner, anyone?). It’s certainly not the case that all ‘LGBTQ+’ people are one big happy family who don’t have interpersonal conflict, philosophical disagreements, mental health conditions, personality disorders, or political beliefs that could lead them to behave in violent and abusive ways. Being trans or gay or ‘genderqueer’ is not a get-out-of-jail-free card. A non-binary mass murderer is still a mass-murderer! Thanks for arguing against something no one actually said. Where would we be without straight peoples insight.
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Post by crowblack on Dec 2, 2022 9:28:10 GMT
Thanks for arguing against something no one actually said. Where would we be without straight peoples insight. OK, we are getting off topic here, but these days a lot of people who identify as trans or non binary or queer are also 'straight', as in, attracted to the opposite biological sex.
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Post by kathryn on Dec 2, 2022 12:13:52 GMT
Thanks for arguing against something no one actually said. Where would we be without straight peoples insight. OK, we are getting off topic here, but these days a lot of people who identify as trans or non binary or queer are also 'straight', as in, attracted to the opposite biological sex. Indeed, by some people’s definition I could claim to be part of the LGBTQIA+ community. I don’t, because I think it’s obnoxious - no-one in modern times in the West has tried to restrict my civil liberties, criminalise me, or stop me living how I want. (That is not true of certain Middle Eastern countries…) If you want to gatekeep who can claim an ‘LGBTQIA+’ identity, then you have to set up some coherent definitions with clear boundaries. If you don’t - if you want to be as inclusive as possible - then you have to accept that sh*tty people will take advantage of that, and can legitimately claim to be part of your community.
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