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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 10:02:33 GMT
Interesting to read people's comments about how well behaved the audience are. I went to an early preview and commented on this as well. The only other place I know of well behaved audiences is the NT. Utter silence during the show but pop concert like ovation at the end of each song. The silence was wonderful but quite spooky. Guess I am do used to coughing, talking, ice clinking in glasses and sweet eating that this came as a pleasant shock. I find many non WE Venues have good audiences But usually WE audiences are like being at the funfair So This was a nice change
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 10:05:35 GMT
I think NHS in underfunded. I think the NHS needs more funding. I think the NHS is one of the greatest things that man created. nOT HAVING to be in major debt with a bill . Is what a civilised country provides. Universities should be free More likely it’s inefficient Wasteful And misused I think the underfunding and understaffing is Exaggerated Everything is underfunded Police Schools You think the NHS has it bad? The government have f***ed Local councils beyond belief
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 10:08:58 GMT
Would we rather crap care for Free Or good care And pay Replacing 'free' for 'nationalised', wasn't that the argument for the rail service to be privatised.... and look at that. That's expensive and it's horsesh*t.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 10:13:54 GMT
Would we rather crap care for Free Or good care And pay Replacing 'free' for 'nationalised', wasn't that the argument for the rail service to be privatised.... and look at that. Chanel is a private company It is quite excellent We already have a very divided two tier healthcare system I would rather have an open discussion about that Instead of hiding it away And pretending That the government are capable of running or making decisions about health The reality is people need telling what to do when it comes to health The acopic failing and broken society we live in Aren’t actually capable of much anymore They need strong Guidance The government aren’t capable of this As far as I know gas is privatised And electricity They work fine
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 10:15:26 GMT
Would we rather crap care for Free Or good care And pay Replacing 'free' for 'nationalised', wasn't that the argument for the rail service to be privatised.... and look at that. That's expensive and it's horsesh*t. I don’t use trains Other than the tube And that is excellent Runs much better than the NHS On time quick clean and efficient Reliable
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Post by showoff on Jan 5, 2018 10:27:18 GMT
Interesting to read people's comments about how well behaved the audience are. I went to an early preview and commented on this as well. The only other place I know of well behaved audiences is the NT. Utter silence during the show but pop concert like ovation at the end of each song. The silence was wonderful but quite spooky. Guess I am do used to coughing, talking, ice clinking in glasses and sweet eating that this came as a pleasant shock. It's really good to hear, especially as I would feel it appeals to a younger audience, as did Dreamgirls, and it was one of the worst audiences I ever witnessed, most of them didn't stay in their seats for most of it, leaving for the bar during the songs, even And I am Telling You. It ruined the show for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 10:34:19 GMT
Interesting to read people's comments about how well behaved the audience are. I went to an early preview and commented on this as well. The only other place I know of well behaved audiences is the NT. Utter silence during the show but pop concert like ovation at the end of each song. The silence was wonderful but quite spooky. Guess I am do used to coughing, talking, ice clinking in glasses and sweet eating that this came as a pleasant shock. It's really good to hear, especially as I would feel it appeals to a younger audience, as did Dreamgirls, and it was one of the worst audiences I ever witnessed, most of them didn't stay in their seats for most of it, leaving for the bar during the songs, even And I am Telling You. It ruined the show for me. Each time I have seen Hamilton The audience has not been particularly diverse Which surprises me Dreamgirls had a very mixed demographic But you are right It was like a sh*tty karaoke Over amplified like a concert And the singers are effectively screaming for most of it
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Post by jek on Jan 5, 2018 10:38:39 GMT
Went last night and wasn't expecting to enjoy it but I did. I was in the position where my sixteen year old daughter had been extraordinarily keen to see it for the last couple of years and so I bought tickets to take her and her friend back on that mad day last January. I booked knowing that, because of the ticketing method, I would have to attend with them and felt this to be a shame given that so many of her other friends would have loved to go too. I would have been happy to hand over the ticket. Over the Christmas holiday I started reading Ron Chernow's book and by yesterday I was about two thirds of the way through. It's an excellent read (I'm now keen to return to it) and rattles along with some pace, just like the show. Obviously it is not necessary to read the book to enjoy the show (given its length that would be a big ask) but I really enjoyed seeing how the complex arguments examined in depth in the book were rendered into short pithy song form in the show. My charges predictably loved it all.
We were in Row H of the Royal Circle, in the mid 30s, with a very good view. The legroom is poor but manageable if you're short (my partner is 6ft 4" and would have struggled). The seats are also very narrow - nothing like as good as at the Barbican, for example - and so it does all feel a bit hemmed in. A bit like the cheap front few rows at the National.
My daughter, like many youngsters, is in the sixth form at an inner city school where she is in a very small minority of kids who would be defined as white British and in an equally small minority of kids with parents who are in a position to furnish them with tickets for Hamilton. I do hope that, as the run continues, schools like hers are offered deals to take groups to see it. They'd get so much out of it. Perhaps even more than this mid 50s woman with a new found admiration for the skill of Lin Manuel Miranda and his excellent crew of creatives and performers.
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Post by westended on Jan 5, 2018 10:41:11 GMT
Do you think there will ever be a UK/Ireland Tour?
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Post by dizzieblonde on Jan 5, 2018 10:55:57 GMT
Went last night and wasn't expecting to enjoy it but I did. I was in the position where my sixteen year old daughter had been extraordinarily keen to see it for the last couple of years and so I bought tickets to take her and her friend back on that mad day last January. I booked knowing that, because of the ticketing method, I would have to attend with them and felt this to be a shame given that so many of her other friends would have loved to go too. I would have been happy to hand over the ticket. Over the Christmas holiday I started reading Ron Chernow's book and by yesterday I was about two thirds of the way through. It's an excellent read (I'm now keen to return to it) and rattles along with some pace, just like the show. Obviously it is not necessary to read the book to enjoy the show (given its length that would be a big ask) but I really enjoyed seeing how the complex arguments examined in depth in the book were rendered into short pithy song form in the show. My charges predictably loved it all. We were in Row H of the Royal Circle, in the mid 30s, with a very good view. The legroom is poor but manageable if you're short (my partner is 6ft 4" and would have struggled). The seats are also very narrow - nothing like as good as at the Barbican, for example - and so it does all feel a bit hemmed in. A bit like the cheap front few rows at the National. My daughter, like many youngsters, is in the sixth form at an inner city school where she is in a very small minority of kids who would be defined as white British and in an equally small minority of kids with parents who are in a position to furnish them with tickets for Hamilton. I do hope that, as the run continues, schools like hers are offered deals to take groups to see it. They'd get so much out of it. Perhaps even more than this mid 50s woman with a new found admiration for the skill of Lin Manuel Miranda and his excellent crew of creatives and performers. Hamilton in the US did an awful lot to give schools local to their productions access to the show, with it's EduHam idea (Hamilton Eduction Initiative). However, and here's the big difference, Hamilton fed directly into the US History curriculum of US high schools, and so students were given massive access to the show specifically because it aided their learning of that period in their country's history. That simply doesn't apply here, and any access given would be in aid purely of theatre access to underprivileged kids, and not to assist any school academic curriculum. It's also worth saying that this was only possible because Hamilton paired up with a private foundation, who funded thousands of discount tickets, and the program as a whole. I'd say EduHam could happen here, but it would need funding - and I doubt it would come from government funds - and it would be an Arts Education program, not a history linked one, in the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 11:04:05 GMT
Do you think there will ever be a UK/Ireland Tour? It’s easy to tour this show Don’t see why not
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Post by bnabound on Jan 5, 2018 11:14:09 GMT
Does anyone know if, once you've blocked a member from showing on your timeline, you can also block the 'quoted' stuff from said blocked member? Thanks!
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Post by jek on Jan 5, 2018 11:18:25 GMT
Thanks dizzieblonde that is really interesting. My daughter's school (a state school in East London) is very keen on project based learning and so, for example, teach the Russian Revolution through an immersive theatre project. Hamilton would really feed in to that. They also (thanks largely to an English teacher with a particular interest) cover quite a lot of hip hop and the like (I am so not able to distinguish all the categories!) in English lessons. They are also keen on staging musicals and do so with a largely non white cast. I wholly get the point about the lack of curriculum links and the need for some sort of funding. Would be interesting to know if the London production have explored - or intend to explore - any of this.
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Post by showoff on Jan 5, 2018 11:29:37 GMT
It's really good to hear, especially as I would feel it appeals to a younger audience, as did Dreamgirls, and it was one of the worst audiences I ever witnessed, most of them didn't stay in their seats for most of it, leaving for the bar during the songs, even And I am Telling You. It ruined the show for me. Each time I have seen Hamilton The audience has not been particularly diverse Which surprises me Dreamgirls had a very mixed demographic But you are right It was like a sh*tty karaoke Over amplified like a concert And the singers are effectively screaming for most of it I have heard many reports that the audience is not diverse in New York either, probably due to the prices too, with the Broadway prices, it's hardly appealing to those who it's targeted at. I kind of agree with Larry David's opinion of it. I was really happy to see such a diverse audience at Dreamgirls though.
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Post by dizzieblonde on Jan 5, 2018 11:38:39 GMT
Thanks dizzieblonde that is really interesting. My daughter's school (a state school in East London) is very keen on project based learning and so, for example, teach the Russian Revolution through an immersive theatre project. Hamilton would really feed in to that. They also (thanks largely to an English teacher with a particular interest) cover quite a lot of hip hop and the like (I am so not able to distinguish all the categories!) in English lessons. They are also keen on staging musicals and do so with a largely non white cast. I wholly get the point about the lack of curriculum links and the need for some sort of funding. Would be interesting to know if the London production have explored - or intend to explore - any of this. It would definitely be worth you or the teachers contacting Hamilton West End's social media accounts, to see if they have any plans to bring the show into the scope of the arts education project, currently running in the US. The West End show would be the only production of Hamilton not doing this, as every single other production is doing it, or scheduled to do so. Definitely a good idea to push the whole 'underprivileged local state school' angle and, with an English/Drama department sounding like they're already geared to this type of learning, you might just get lucky and persuade the Ham producers to enroll your school in a pilot project! It may well be that, because the project doesn't fit quite as neatly into British school curriculum requirements, the way it does in the US, you might need to put together a decent 'pitch' showing what educational benefits UK school kids will gain from the shows. Good luck, and let us know if there's a positive response. BTW, tweeting Lin Manuel Miranda directly could have an equally interesting outcome - especially if the tweet is multimedia, and comes directly from the kids involved (set them a task to make a video that will grab his attention)! Arts education is one of his big focuses, and he seems to respond regularly to lots of young kids who contact him about his creations.
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Post by kathryn on Jan 5, 2018 11:44:35 GMT
An argument could certainly be made that Hamilton is relevant to British colonial history.
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Post by emicardiff on Jan 5, 2018 11:50:37 GMT
It wouldn't do Cam Mac any harm to start a charitable foundation of his own (does he have one anyway?) and use it for Ham-Education events. But it is a fab piece for teaching- genuinely fresh, new and dare I say 'down with the kids' compared to a lot of the 'educational' options theatre offers.
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Post by Xanderl on Jan 5, 2018 11:51:34 GMT
Thank you both for the reassurance; I really appreciate it. And I've just reread my earlier posts, apologies if I come across as an entitled brat: I'm hardly the most eloquent of people at the best times and I'm currently really rather annoyed I've screwed this up. You don't come across that way at all, and you've raised a very good point that there's a mismatch between Ticketmaster's standard terms (ie over 18 to buy a ticket) and the Hamilton website (over 16s can attend without an over-18 person, and the ticket-buyer must attend).
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Post by ali973 on Jan 5, 2018 11:53:02 GMT
I'm sure this is already in the planning stage. Though you are correct in saying that all the existing productions in the US have an education-linked program, many of these kicked off a few months into the run. Now that the London production has officially opened and that madness is over, I am sure there are new programs and initiatives in the pipeline that will be visible in the new year.
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Post by profquatermass on Jan 5, 2018 11:55:08 GMT
An argument could certainly be made that Hamilton is relevant to British colonial history. It is but that's not part of the school history curriculum. It probably should be but it isn't
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Post by ctas on Jan 5, 2018 11:55:44 GMT
I noted when booking opened that there’s a few Tuesdays in March that were withheld from sale and haven’t been on sale since. I wonder if they’re being withheld for something like EduHam.
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Post by emicardiff on Jan 5, 2018 12:00:28 GMT
An argument could certainly be made that Hamilton is relevant to British colonial history. It is but that's not part of the school history curriculum. It probably should be but it isn't The Slave trade and War of Independence are a part of the Key Stage 3 History curriculum. They're a part of a list of 'either or' options for teachers, so granted not everywhere teaches them. There's also an option for Colonialism being taught (a lot go for India, but there's no reason teachers couldn't adapt for America). That's for England I might add. Wales at KS3 has similar options, not sure about Scotland/NI but logically it's the English schools more likely to engage with Hamilton live due to logistics.
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Post by bellboard27 on Jan 5, 2018 12:39:24 GMT
Taking kids to Hamilton for a history lesson would be about as accurate as taking them to the Book of Mormon for a religious education lesson.
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Post by danb on Jan 5, 2018 12:46:24 GMT
Taking kids to Hamilton for a history lesson would be about as accurate as taking them to the Book of Mormon for a religious education lesson. ...but they’d remember the lessons and what they wre taught as a result. All good teaching needs a hook!
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Post by dizzieblonde on Jan 5, 2018 12:53:49 GMT
Taking kids to Hamilton for a history lesson would be about as accurate as taking them to the Book of Mormon for a religious education lesson. Oh come on!! Hamilton may have minor historical inaccuracies, as much as any historical event likely would if it were being adapted into an entertainment format and musical! He condensed 15 Schuyler siblings (8 who lived to adulthood) into 3, he squished up timelines (Washington's retirement and Jefferson's resignation were a few years apart), but the events of the musical happened and it's a far more faithful account of historical facts than most other art forms of its type. I consider myself reasonably knowledgeable about US revolutionary history, compared to most Brits, but even I got a decent, abridged education from the musical!
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Post by The Matthew on Jan 5, 2018 13:00:09 GMT
Taking kids to Hamilton for a history lesson would be about as accurate as taking them to the Book of Mormon for a religious education lesson. But if it gets them interested in the time and place then they might be prompted to look deeper and find out the details of what really happened.
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Post by emicardiff on Jan 5, 2018 13:27:45 GMT
Taking kids to Hamilton for a history lesson would be about as accurate as taking them to the Book of Mormon for a religious education lesson. But if it gets them interested in the time and place then they might be prompted to look deeper and find out the details of what really happened. Indeed! History teachers use “historical” films all the time as a hook- something to get the kids interested and give an overview- and refer back to “remember when so and so did that in the films, well...” And then we (when I was still doing it) use this magical thing called “Teaching” And our own “Expert knowledge” (such as it is!) to fill in the blanks and correct inaccuracies. If I was still teaching teens Hamilton would be an amazing kick start to teaching elements of the era.
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Post by bellboard27 on Jan 5, 2018 13:45:38 GMT
But if it gets them interested in the time and place then they might be prompted to look deeper and find out the details of what really happened. Indeed! History teachers use “historical” films all the time as a hook- something to get the kids interested and give an overview- and refer back to “remember when so and so did that in the films, well...” And then we (when I was still doing it) use this magical thing called “Teaching” And our own “Expert knowledge” (such as it is!) to fill in the blanks and correct inaccuracies. If I was still teaching teens Hamilton would be an amazing kick start to teaching elements of the era. I was being a bit jokey in my remark. Of course one can use historically related theatre or films to start an educational conversation and I agree Hamilton would engage teens more than most shows. It's just I see comments that suggest people don't get the history behind Hamilton and how the show has fun altering this. A teacher can of course address this.
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Post by orchestrator on Jan 5, 2018 13:52:39 GMT
It wouldn't do Cam Mac any harm to start a charitable foundation of his own (does he have one anyway?) and use it for Ham-Education events. But it is a fab piece for teaching- genuinely fresh, new and dare I say 'down with the kids' compared to a lot of the 'educational' options theatre offers. I’d completely understand if it was not possible but a UK charitable foundation for Hamilton Education co-promoted by Cameron and Prince William or Harry (heirs to George III) would be amazing!
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Post by emicardiff on Jan 5, 2018 13:55:50 GMT
Indeed! History teachers use “historical” films all the time as a hook- something to get the kids interested and give an overview- and refer back to “remember when so and so did that in the films, well...” And then we (when I was still doing it) use this magical thing called “Teaching” And our own “Expert knowledge” (such as it is!) to fill in the blanks and correct inaccuracies. If I was still teaching teens Hamilton would be an amazing kick start to teaching elements of the era. I was being a bit jokey in my remark. Of course one can use historically related theatre or films to start an educational conversation and I agree Hamilton would engage teens more than most shows. It's just I see comments that suggest people don't get the history behind Hamilton and how the show has fun altering this. A teacher can of course address this. Oh don’t worry there was enough sarcasm in my response 😉 I was trying to think of a really rubbish film example to use but couldn’t. Fun fact my first Cumberbatch encounter was via using “Amazing Grace” to “teach” kids with...
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