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Post by The Matthew on Jan 2, 2017 6:13:51 GMT
the first thing an average cinema goer will ask is who are the leads For most films they might, but this is Disney. The studio is almost a lead in itself: people talk about the latest Disney film the way they might use the name of a lead when referring to other films. Given the studio's reputation they're just about at the point where their promotion could be a simple "New Disney film. Coming on [date]" and the film would cover its costs. I'd bet that right now there are people who are looking forward to the next few Disney films without even knowing what they are yet. ("Wait. Cars 3? Never mind. It's not proper Disney anyway.")
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 6:22:49 GMT
I can easily see it being in the Top 5 grossing films of the year, the only thing standing in the way of the Top 3 will be the amount of superhero films coming out but it will slot into the Top 5 easily. I mean, look at the Top 10 of 2016 (Rogue One and Fantastic Beasts still rising, Rogue One will undoubtably become the highest grossing of 2016 and Beasts should take over Deadpool before finishing off):
Captain America: Civil War ($1,153,304,495) Finding Dory ($1,027,771,569) Zootopia ($1,023,784,195) The Jungle Book ($966,550,600) The Secret Life of Pets ($875,457,937) Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice ($873,260,194) Deadpool ($783,112,979) Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them ($772,540,251) Suicide Squad ($745,600,054) Rogue One ($706,054,705)
You basically have to be an Disney film, animated film, superhero film or fantasy film in order to make the Top 10, and as this slots in as the Disney big Disney film of the year, it will have no trouble finding its way on the list somewhere. I'd hazard a guess it will gross in the $900,000,000-$1 billion range. I don't think it will hit the $1 billion mark, but it won't be a far off.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 8:18:22 GMT
the first thing an average cinema goer will ask is who are the leads, or if they are familiar with the original who are beast at belle. neither dan Stevens or luke Evans are big names. Dont forget that a whole younger generation may not have seen the original. Many kids arnt interested sadly in 2d animation. Emma will help bridge the gap. I'm not a massive fan of hers but I think she is probablythe best hollywood type of name they could have gone for. The actress from twilight was mooted at one stage Obviously the lead of the Jungle Book couldn't be a name, he is a 10 year old Indian boy. Hollywood isnt exactly overflowing with famous actors that fit that description. but they made damn sure the rest of the cast were big names I don't think they need to rely on kids for box office here, if they're going for Emma then they're clearly seeking out people in their early/mid 20s who were small children when Beauty and the Beast premiered and older children when Harry Potter did. Even if they were relying on kids, they would have had an excellent box office even if Belle was an unknown, there's no disputing that. Kids don't care about names. Did they know anyone who voiced the characters in Frozen? Zootopia? Doubtful. I have a feeling they're going to have to sacrifice good reviews for box office. Or at least the movie itself might get good reviews, but I feel like Emma is going to get heavily, heavily criticised. Every single one of her line readings in the trailer is bad. Alicia Vikander, Leighton Meester or even Phillipa Soo would have been much better choices.
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Post by Michael on Jan 2, 2017 8:28:30 GMT
Alicia Vikander, Leighton Meester or even Phillipa Soo would have been much better choices. Anna Kendrick. Just sayin'...
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 2, 2017 8:55:34 GMT
Emma Watson? Who? Aaaah. Harry Potter. Ok. Never seen one. That's one cash cow I've happily avoided contributing to.
So she will stand or fall purely on her performance as Belle. Judging by that clip, the only way is up! As for her physical attributes, from the Google pics I think she would look prettier if she smiled more. Belle is a fun joyous character, not the type to curl up the corner of her lip as an xcuse for a smile. That's the problem with a lot of these kids, too self conscious.
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Post by Paul on Jan 2, 2017 13:10:41 GMT
Alicia Vikander, Leighton Meester or even Phillipa Soo would have been much better choices. Anna Kendrick. Just sayin'... Anna would definitely be the better singer but I think Emma suits the role better.
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Post by indis on Jan 7, 2017 21:32:51 GMT
Harriet Jones as Belle instead of "just" the Queen - would be fab - she got the looks and the voice!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 22:02:29 GMT
the first thing an average cinema goer will ask is who are the leads For most films they might, but this is Disney. The studio is almost a lead in itself: people talk about the latest Disney film the way they might use the name of a lead when referring to other films. Given the studio's reputation they're just about at the point where their promotion could be a simple "New Disney film. Coming on [date]" and the film would cover its costs. I'd bet that right now there are people who are looking forward to the next few Disney films without even knowing what they are yet. ("Wait. Cars 3? Never mind. It's not proper Disney anyway.") if that were the case Petes Dragon wouldnt have flopped (sadly as its a good movie) or plenty of their animated movies before frozen and a lesser extent Tangled. Disney has its fans sure, but they have some big flops under their name too (away from the star wars and marvel brand e.g. John Carpenters and Lone Ranger) They need to hedge their bets, like all movie studios. I didn't mean kids were reliant on names, that's more the adult audience. just that every disney live action remake has cast big names. The generation who grew up on harry potter won't necessarily know BATB, they were the best part of a decade apart. She will bring in a large part of the HP fanbase. the names listed may have been great, but no one would know who they are. Not Anna Kendrick though, Belle shouldn't have permanent resting bitch face. Casting a name helps generate buzz, you only have to look at the discussion this movie is already getting and a large part of that is about Emma.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 22:18:38 GMT
For most films they might, but this is Disney. The studio is almost a lead in itself: people talk about the latest Disney film the way they might use the name of a lead when referring to other films. Given the studio's reputation they're just about at the point where their promotion could be a simple "New Disney film. Coming on [date]" and the film would cover its costs. I'd bet that right now there are people who are looking forward to the next few Disney films without even knowing what they are yet. ("Wait. Cars 3? Never mind. It's not proper Disney anyway.") The generation who grew up on harry potter won't necessarily know BATB, they were the best part of a decade apart. She will bring in a large part of the HP fanbase. the names listed may have been great, but no one would know who they are. Not Anna Kendrick though, Belle shouldn't have permanent resting bitch face. Casting a name helps generate buzz, you only have to look at the discussion this movie is already getting and a large part of that is about Emma. No the generation who grew up on Harry Potter are exactly the same generation as BATB. Yes they're a decade apart but BATB is for younger children and Harry Potter is ideally for 10+. I'm part of the generation myself so I would know. My earliest memories are of the 90s Disney films and I definitely loved the first Harry Potter film too although my interest in that quickly faded, but I'm not much of a fantasy person anyway. People would know the names that have been listed. They include Oscar winners and nominees... I don't think anyone is denying that Emma will bring in more people but to deny that Beauty and the Beast would have succeeded fine without her anyway is silly. It absolutely would have. A lot of the attention surrounding her in the role is due to the fact that many think she is miscast.
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Post by ShoesForRent on Jan 9, 2017 9:17:34 GMT
This was shown at the Golden Globes yesteday
I won't comment and just leave it here... suffice to say I won't be rushing to see this in a theatre, sadly.
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Post by talkstageytome on Jan 9, 2017 9:24:31 GMT
I wasn't sold on this anyway but the autotune pitch correction is so distracting.. like... season 3 of Glee distracting Don't love these live action remakes anyway so wasn't planning on seeing this, but now I'll deffo be staying away. Of course, perhaps it won't be so bad when the film is actually released?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 10:03:00 GMT
Oh Emma, please decide if you're going to sing in an English accent or that not-quite-American accent that most pop songs are sung in, because flipping between the two is... distracting.
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Post by dazzerlump on Jan 9, 2017 10:19:56 GMT
wow, just seen the new trailer and that autotune is really obvious!
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Post by ali973 on Jan 9, 2017 10:22:39 GMT
blah..I'm honestly not a fan of contemporary movie musicals. Musicals on film simply don't work for me as musicals on stage. I'm also massively turned off by excessive CGI, and this looks like a CGI circus. I would imagine that Emma is probably the only actual human being appearing scene after scene ones she makes it the Beasts's castle.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 11:48:28 GMT
Ugh, just awful.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 11:53:33 GMT
Isnt the Belle (Reprise) not supposed to sound a little bit more epic...like running over the hill and full on giving it her all.
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Post by theatremadness on Jan 9, 2017 12:14:58 GMT
*sigh* They've f**ked it.
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Post by johartuk on Jan 9, 2017 12:23:17 GMT
The bit on the mountain is very 'Sound Of Music' - I half expected a group of children clad in curtain fabric to appear!
Emma's voice sounds thin and nasal. Not great.
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Post by d'James on Jan 9, 2017 14:01:50 GMT
Her voice is terribly over-produced. I kind of feel sorry for her being led to believe she was up to this.
For a lot of people the best songs are probably the songs not sung by Belle, but for me they're some of my favourites, but I doubt they will be in this. I hated Ewan McGregor's singing in Moulin Rouge so I'm not looking forward to that. It sounds like they've cut Human Again, so all I've got to look forward to is Beauty and the Beast itself along with the new songs perhaps.
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Post by anthony40 on Jan 14, 2017 9:31:02 GMT
So, I'm assuming everyone has heard about what happened to the merchandising doll that Disney has released of Emma Watson as Belle?
Something went wrong and for some reason the face on the doll looks remarkably more like Justin Bieber in a yellow dress that it does Emma Watson.
Opps!
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Post by anthony40 on Jan 14, 2017 9:44:24 GMT
The bit on the mountain is very 'Sound Of Music' - I half expected a group of children clad in curtain fabric to appear! Emma's voice sounds thin and nasal. Not great. The funny thing about this comments s that when the film was first released I was sitting in a cinema in Sydney with my best friend and his (then) girlfriend (now wife) and when that reprise screened she actually said "It's like the Sound of Music". And then someone in the row behind us also said "It's like The Sound of Music". And then in the final battle scene between Gaston and The Beast, where the rain is falling and The Beast is hanging on by his claws a little kid sobbed "Don't die Beast!".
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Post by The Matthew on Jan 14, 2017 10:19:50 GMT
So, I'm assuming everyone has heard about what happened to the merchandising doll that Disney has released of Emma Watson as Belle? Something went wrong and for some reason the face on the doll looks remarkably more like Justin Bieber in a yellow dress that it does Emma Watson. To be fair, it's not easy to make dolls that look like real people for a reasonable price. Or fictional people, come to that. Anyway, I was under the impression that all this was a crack at Justin Bieber rather than at Disney.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 10:47:04 GMT
Meh. I'm sure no-one really expected Emma Watson to be that hot as a singer. I mean (and Potty, sorry, Potter fans will no doubt hunt me down) she's no great shakes as an actress either so I'm not wildly bothered here BUT if they balls up 'Be Our Guest' I will personally hunt down every Disney executive and make them watch Idina Menzel murder Let It Go at the Oscars on repeat.
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Post by Dave25 on Jan 14, 2017 11:45:41 GMT
From what I have seen so far (all the clips, trailers and audio files), I feel a bit disrespected by the filmmakers. There is no way I'm going to spend money on this. I am sure it will be a success because BATB is a brand, and many people will go and see it anyway, and the filmmakers obviously will end up saying that what they did was great because many people bought a ticket, but I can't help feeling belittled and not taken seriously as an audience member.
These clips of Emma Watson singing are just plain embarrassing, that wouldn't even do for a community theatre production. Film is supposed to be believable. I don't believe a word she sings. They are already apologizing for the singing. I see a poor girl struggling with the material and the role. All the life is sucked out of it, it sounds weak, robotic and lame. Completely unbelievable. The line "That I simply didn't see" should be filled with nuances, inner glow and surprise about what she can't believe is happening, and every note and syllable should support that. We, audiences see and hear details, in case the filmmakers haven't noticed. Her acting in the clips is not convincing either. Also the single lines of other actors feel kind of forced and amateurish.
The sets look very cheap and CGI. Way to computer-ish. Every scene showed is just completely lifeless.
Material like this should be embraced, and taken to the horizon and beyond. Glorious. Supported by uplifting music and singing which supports the emotions and acting.
This project can be compared to the 2004 Phantom of the Opera film in terms of look, sound, singing and acting.
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Post by The Matthew on Jan 14, 2017 15:55:03 GMT
I'm sure no-one really expected Emma Watson to be that hot as a singer. She was cast as the protagonist in a musical so yeah, we kind of did.
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Post by avenueqresident on Jan 19, 2017 20:15:59 GMT
Céline Dion has just tweeted she'll be performing a new song, "How Does A Moment Last Forever"
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Post by westendcub on Jan 19, 2017 20:34:52 GMT
Céline Dion has just tweeted she'll be performing a new song, "How Does A Moment Last Forever" I'm over the moon that Celine Dion is back again for the movie soundtrack, looking forward to hearing the new song from queen Celine!!
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Post by zsazsa on Jan 19, 2017 21:09:33 GMT
Grumpy Belle
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Post by westendwendy on Jan 20, 2017 0:05:48 GMT
Luke Evans is a Doll he has finally made it.
I still think his transition from musical boy to Hollywood star via no major TV, celebrity, reality or springboard route has been just staggering! Good for him. We need more of it! Musical actors are just as good if not better!
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Post by hitmewithurbethshot on Jan 20, 2017 1:16:03 GMT
Even the child model who's paid to look like she's enjoying the doll doesn't seem all that enthused
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