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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 13:00:24 GMT
My take on this is I adore the film and I love Fra and I desperately want to see his portrayal of this part.
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Post by crowblack on Mar 12, 2020 14:52:04 GMT
My take on this is I adore the film and I love Fra and I desperately want to see his portrayal of this part. He's getting some very nasty comments online - clearly that "be kind" hashtag from 2 weeks ago hasn't had much impact with some sections of online activism. I wonder if this will further split the LGB from the T, as is already happening with groups like the LGB Alliance?
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Post by Jon on Mar 12, 2020 16:05:21 GMT
Can we please change the thread title as it’s Breakfast on Pluto, not Breakfast at Pluto
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 12, 2020 18:32:45 GMT
My take on this is I adore the film and I love Fra and I desperately want to see his portrayal of this part. He's getting some very nasty comments online - clearly that "be kind" hashtag from 2 weeks ago hasn't had much impact with some sections of online activism. I wonder if this will further split the LGB from the T, as is already happening with groups like the LGB Alliance? In all honesty, I was never comfortable with the conflation of sexuality and gender that allowed LGBT+ to emerge as a grouping. Yes, there are times when it makes sense to campaign together. But there are also times when these communities have potentially conflicting needs, aims and desires. My preference has always been to be a much looser alliance - working together on some issues and campaigning separately on others (though not, of course, campaigning against one another) There should be an acknowledgement that there is no such thing as the LGBT+ community. There is, however, a large number of communities who can, at times, find common cause with one another. Surely diversity is about celebrating our differences as well as the links between us - we are not an amorphous mass of people to be treated without regards to our differences as well as our similarities.
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Post by Dr Tom on May 4, 2020 11:51:05 GMT
Just heard from the Birmingham Rep that this has been cancelled.
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Post by marob on May 26, 2021 12:47:15 GMT
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Post by Mark on May 26, 2021 13:06:04 GMT
It's a shame, and a potentially dangerous route to go down to say that only trans should play trans, because in effect you're also saying only cis should play cis. Fra Fee is a talented performer, and there's no guarantee a trans actor would be as good or better in the role.
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Post by alicechallice on May 26, 2021 13:34:23 GMT
It's a shame, and a potentially dangerous route to go down to say that only trans should play trans, because in effect you're also saying only cis should play cis. Fra Fee is a talented performer, and there's no guarantee a trans actor would be as good or better in the role. It'll be interesting to see how many other theatres sign up to it...
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 26, 2021 13:46:19 GMT
I would be interested to see how they define a trans role. With newer scripts, it is very easy as the author will have made it explicit in the text in some way.
But for pieces written before modern gender theory, the language used and awareness of the issues would have been very different and so it is harder to discern the intention of the author.
And then there are much older pieces where one could argue that there are characters who display facets of gender nonconformity but historically they would never have identified in that way to any extent. There are certainly Shakespeare characters for whom one could build a case if you were so minded.
Who gets to adjudicate on such matters? What happens where one director views a character as trans? Does that mean all subsequent productions have to follow that because of a previous identification?
It is straightforward when a piece is clearly written to present trans characters. But outside of that, interpretation is everything. Who gets to make that call?
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Post by newyorkcityboy on May 29, 2021 5:51:17 GMT
The very fact we are having this debate means the trans community is visible and vocal as never before, which can only be a good thing. As a member of a minority I understand that seeing one’s own life or ‘community’ represented on stage or screen can be an extremely empowering experience, and it’s important that be as authentic as possible. Paradoxically I also think it’s limiting to suggest an actor is only allowed to play within the narrow confines of their own life experience. Empathy is the key, both for the actor and the audience - the ability to look beyond the artifice and see the essence of the character within. For instance, the film of ‘Pluto’ moved me in many ways, not least because a close family member is a trans man. Although the film is about a trans woman, I still saw many similarities between them. The fact Cillian Murphy is not (as far as I know) trans in real life was no barrier to me empathising with the character. Quite the opposite, in fact; I was transported by his performance and commitment to the role and ended the film in tears.
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