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Post by couldileaveyou on Jan 6, 2021 11:38:26 GMT
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jan 6, 2021 17:17:17 GMT
Not very exciting casting at all.
Also Ralph Fiennes is no longer doing it. They are having to find a female Miss Trunchbull to avoid a trans backlash.
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Post by Mark on Jan 6, 2021 18:49:43 GMT
Not very exciting casting at all. Also Ralph Fiennes is no longer doing it. They are having to find a female Miss Trunchbull to avoid a trans backlash.
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Post by musicalmarge on Jan 8, 2021 17:31:16 GMT
Not very exciting casting at all. Also Ralph Fiennes is no longer doing it. They are having to find a female Miss Trunchbull to avoid a trans backlash. what ? No male Trunchbull? Trans? Zzzzzz please!
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Post by nick on Jan 9, 2021 14:48:16 GMT
Not very exciting casting at all. Also Ralph Fiennes is no longer doing it. They are having to find a female Miss Trunchbull to avoid a trans backlash. Are pantos doomed then?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 15:05:17 GMT
Not very exciting casting at all. Also Ralph Fiennes is no longer doing it. T hey are having to find a female Miss Trunchbull to avoid a trans backlash.Seriously? There's been so many over the years; Mrs Doubtfire, Big Moma, White Chicks.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jan 10, 2021 0:16:09 GMT
Not very exciting casting at all. Also Ralph Fiennes is no longer doing it. T hey are having to find a female Miss Trunchbull to avoid a trans backlash.Seriously? There's been so many over the years; Mrs Doubtfire, Big Moma, White Chicks. Erm. Mrs Doubtfire was YEARS ago and I don’t think those other 2 films are exactly great examples to go by. Remember we are living in the age of everyone being outraged and cancel culture. It’s a risk they aren’t prepared to take.
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Post by Oleanna on Jan 10, 2021 8:40:21 GMT
Oh just get Pam Ferris again.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jan 10, 2021 9:09:52 GMT
Oh just get Pam Ferris again. Yes! Or Sarah Lancashire?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 14:47:08 GMT
Seriously? There's been so many over the years; Mrs Doubtfire, Big Moma, White Chicks. Erm. Mrs Doubtfire was YEARS ago and I don’t think those other 2 films are exactly great examples to go by. Remember we are living in the age of everyone being outraged and cancel culture. It’s a risk they aren’t prepared to take. Ok, John Travolta Hairspray? I just find it hard to believe Tim Minchin would pander to that. I blame NBC for mis-casting Rocky Horror and setting the precedent.
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Post by robertb213 on Jan 10, 2021 16:14:34 GMT
The world needs to accept that certain characters created for the stage are played by the opposite gender. It's not an attack or judgement on anybody, it's just the context and history of that show. If people choose to be offended by that, then equally they have the choice not to watch, but if we're moving into a world where Trunchbull, Edna Turnblad and countless panto dames are played by women just to avoid perceived prejudice that isn't there, then it's a very sad thing. What's next, Simba can only be played by a real lion?
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Post by emeraldbaudelaire on Jan 10, 2021 22:01:37 GMT
She definitely isn't tall enough for the part and I think she has problems with mobility nowadays but can you imagine what Miriam Margoyles from ten years ago could have done with this role? She'd be amazing.
I do think we will end up with somebody like Imelda Staunton though I'd prefer someone more outside of the box and more physically intimidating.
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Post by David J on Jan 10, 2021 22:29:12 GMT
The bigger question though is why does Trunchbull require a male actor - what does it bring to the role?. Mrs Doubtfire, for example, worked because it was a male character going to huge lengths to see his kids daily, something he was legally forbidden to do. The audience were in on it and actively rooting for Daniel, knowing it was all going to go wrong at some point. The humour doesn’t come out of Robin Williams dressed as a woman, but from his character Daniel interacting with those around him whilst dressed as a respectable older woman. The movie goes to great lengths actually to ensure Mrs Doubtfire isn’t a character you’re laughing at, but laughing with. It’s very clever in its execution and is not offensive in the slightest. John Travolta on the other hand brings absolutely nothing to his role in Hairspray. He plays it completely straight and is very adequate, but adds nothing other than his name to poster. I accept on stage it’s always had male casting, but that’s not a justification for casting decisions in a different medium. Matilda would have ended up going the same way and there’s no real reason from what I remember of the musical. The thing with Miss Trunchball is that like Roald Dahl's villains she is a bigger than life character. He shows adults from a child's perspective on a big and grotesque scale Now she is neither a witch or a giant but a woman who was an athlete in her day. But Roald Dahl and Quentin Blake depicted her as this towering monster that frightened both children and adults The musical clearly stayed close to the illustrations in the book. So obviously they needed to cast men to pull off her ugliness, stature and inhumane character. Even better when she doesn't sound effeminate. Mature as well since trunchball looks to be in her late 50s-60s. Not to be down on the young men who understudy the role but they never sound convincing. Beth Malone played the character in 2019 and she was not convincing at all. It's possible that a woman can play the role. It's already been done with Pam Herris in the 1996 film and she depicted the character very well. But she did have the help of the low camera shots to make her look bigger than she is. I'm sure there are actresses that would fit the look of the character. But how many are they? And that actress will have to be well known since this is hollywood we're talking about? The only one I know who could come close to pull it off is Gwendoline Christie
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Jan 10, 2021 22:41:33 GMT
The bigger question though is why does Trunchbull require a male actor - what does it bring to the role?. Mrs Doubtfire, for example, worked because it was a male character going to huge lengths to see his kids daily, something he was legally forbidden to do. The audience were in on it and actively rooting for Daniel, knowing it was all going to go wrong at some point. The humour doesn’t come out of Robin Williams dressed as a woman, but from his character Daniel interacting with those around him whilst dressed as a respectable older woman. The movie goes to great lengths actually to ensure Mrs Doubtfire isn’t a character you’re laughing at, but laughing with. It’s very clever in its execution and is not offensive in the slightest. John Travolta on the other hand brings absolutely nothing to his role in Hairspray. He plays it completely straight and is very adequate, but adds nothing other than his name to poster. I accept on stage it’s always had male casting, but that’s not a justification for casting decisions in a different medium. Matilda would have ended up going the same way and there’s no real reason from what I remember of the musical. Only thing I'd quibble here is that with Hairspray the role has always been played by a man whether in the original film that the musical is based on or on stage so I think that it's fair enough in a further adaptation not to change that, it keeps in spirit with the original (though Travolta's interpretation is certainly lacking in my opinion).
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Post by David J on Jan 10, 2021 23:05:08 GMT
I just remembered there was an audio dramatisation of Matilda that Penguin publishing produced alongside dahl’s other books
It isn’t credited who exactly played Trunchball but Rula Lenska is listed and she sounds similar. To me if you want the voice of Miss Trunchball then she nails it. So big, authoritative and threatening
On the other hand I loved Bertie Carvels cold depiction at Stratford. But I hated how he changed it and became more shrill for laughs when the show got to London and Broadway
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Post by nick on Jan 11, 2021 8:58:54 GMT
Eddie Izzard would be a good choice. She came into my mind as the politically correct choice but then realised that she would also be a good creative choice.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Jan 11, 2021 9:18:44 GMT
Eddie Izzard is actually a very good call. Btw, Trunchbull has already been played by women in the musical, most notably Tony-nominee Beth Malone in the US in 2019. Besides, the character was not conceived as a drag role by the creative team: Although Mr. Warchus said he he wanted someone tall and physically imposing for Miss Trunchbull, the casting call initially included men and women. (The role could still be played by a woman, he said.) More important was the actor’s approach. “I wasn’t looking for a comedian,” Mr. Warchus explained. “I was looking for a great actor, a psychological actor.” Miss Trunchbull, he said, is “like the characters in Dickens, real people who happen to be extreme.” [X]
This settles it.
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Post by MrBraithwaite on Jan 11, 2021 12:06:42 GMT
As usual we have to fiddle with a stage-to-film adaptation until it is unrecognizable.
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Post by ceebee on Jan 11, 2021 12:57:46 GMT
I'd like to see a good actor or actress take the role. Much as I like Eddie Izzard, she isn't the right person in my opinion.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jan 15, 2021 0:13:42 GMT
Emma Thompson has been cast in the role.
And to my mind, she is too old for it.
But hey ho.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jan 15, 2021 0:23:30 GMT
Emma Thompson has been cast in the role. And to my mind, she is too old for it. But hey ho. Hardly! Everything is cast too young these days. She will be excellent I’m sure.
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Post by nick on Jan 15, 2021 8:41:03 GMT
She's 61 so, as a teacher, she could have retired at 60 but many don't. Seems the right age to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 9:27:51 GMT
Emma Thompson has been cast in the role. And to my mind, she is too old for it. But hey ho. Yes, by rights Matilda is a school child and it should be a child in the role.
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Post by sph on Jan 15, 2021 13:23:50 GMT
I always thought the genius of Bertie Carvel's performance on stage was the fact that he had the correct physical stature - broad shouldered, masculine etc - but played the part so delicately and effeminately in manner. It was truly brilliant and completely unexpected.
I'm surprised by the Emma Thompson film casting, but I didn't expect the part to be played by a man on screen as drag roles rarely work in cinema (yes I know there are exceptions).
I think she'll be good!
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Post by imstillhere on Jan 15, 2021 13:47:53 GMT
I think the casting of Thompson is wonderful! Screen is a much more literal form of storytelling and I don't think the theatricality or Carvel's brilliant performance (He should have won the Tony) or any other male actor's performance would have the same effect.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2021 12:49:54 GMT
More casting announced...
Andrea Riseborough as Mrs Wormwood Stephen Graham as Mr Wormwood Sindhu Vee as Mrs Phelps
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Post by emeraldbaudelaire on Apr 1, 2021 16:12:50 GMT
Well whoever said Musicals needed singers anyway? All joking aside does anyone know if these latest cast additions can carry a tune. Emma Thompson can hold her own and is probably passable enough for Trunchbull and there is a little video out there of Alisha singing for the RTE Christmas show. I've heard Layshana mention she can sing in interviews but never seen anything to back it up and I have no idea what the latest cast members are capable of either. Hopefully it's more of an Into the Woods and less of a Mamma Mia.
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Post by Being Alive on Apr 1, 2021 17:34:10 GMT
Sindhu Vee is such a great shout for Mrs Phelps - she'll be hilarious!
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Post by Figaro on Apr 12, 2021 16:04:17 GMT
Has thee been any official announcement about the reopening of the show? Tickets are on sale from the 22nd June, but haven't seen any announcement like other shows have done.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Jun 9, 2021 14:42:23 GMT
To premiere on Netflix in December 2022
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