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Post by HereForTheatre on Sept 29, 2019 7:37:35 GMT
Actress who lost role in The Color Purple is suing Curve. STORY HERE
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Post by popcultureboy on Sept 29, 2019 8:08:18 GMT
If I'm reading that correctly, she is suing for the right to express her religious beliefs. She has that right. She expressed them. And now she needs to live with the consequences.
If I was 25 and my career was "in ruins" because I was an outspoken unapologetic bigot, I don't know if a public court case suing the people I believe to be responsible for my career being in ruins would really be the way forward......
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Post by jgblunners on Sept 29, 2019 8:10:03 GMT
It infuriates me that the Daily Mail has put the word homophobe in quote marks every time it’s used - if it’s some journo attempt at neutrality then it fails spectacularly as the tone of the article makes it clear that the author sides firmly with Omooba. There’s no need for quote marks - her statement is in the article and is undeniably homophobic.
Semantics aside, it’ll be interesting to see how this plays out. As I see it, the decision to drop her had nothing to do with her religious views and everything to do with her homophobic views. Whether or not the two are linked is irrelevant. She was sacked because she clearly held views that not only went against the fundamental nature of the character she was playing but also could have potentially put other members of the production team in danger.
I could write essays about how angry I am that people still feel entitled to spout hatred simply because they are expressing their religious beliefs. Religion is no longer the highest court in the land - our society is secular and your right to believe what you want must now be reconciled with everyone else’s right to live a safe and free life in this country. We shouldn’t stand for anyone refusing to apologise for homophobic remarks.
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Post by popcultureboy on Sept 29, 2019 8:20:34 GMT
As I see it, the decision to drop her had nothing to do with her religious views and everything to do with her homophobic views. Whether or not the two are linked is irrelevant. But this is the thing. This is the argument religious people are now constantly falling back on. "it's my belief, it's not homophobia". The absolute moral certainty that they aren't being discriminatory towards homosexuality, merely embracing their religion is even more hideous, I find. Religious beliefs are a protected characteristic, so she obviously thinks she's been discriminated against. This just doubles down on how blinkered, ignorant and unpleasant she comes across, so it'll do her career the world of good, no doubt. Compare her to someone like Laura Michelle Kelly, who is devoutly religious and has managed to somehow not drag this or any of her beliefs into the spotlight....
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Post by Xanderl on Sept 29, 2019 8:44:00 GMT
I see she is being supported by the Christian Legal Centre. I'll just say they are worth a google and leave it at that.
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Post by sf on Sept 29, 2019 8:47:45 GMT
I see she is being supported by the Christian Legal Centre. I'll just say they are worth a google and leave it at that.
And before you start googling, you might want to consider wearing a hazmat suit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 9:23:01 GMT
Well, I’m reminded of another bible phrase: you reap what you sow.
Personally I think she’s missed the absolute point: it’s not her religious views that have caused the issue, but her personal commentary. She didn’t just say she believes homosexuality is wrong (which her bible passages state) but that she believes people are not born gay (which the bible passage does not stage). As such, she is intimating that gay people have a choice and are making the wrong choice.
Personal opinion using religion as justification. She was totally in the wrong, and when given the chance to apologise for her comments by both the theatre and her agents, she clearly refused.
What she also fails to understand - sadly like a growing majority of younger people - is that whilst she is entitled to any opinion she likes, the rest of the world isn’t necessarily entitled to them.
I’m an advocate of social media, but Twitter seems to be the devil for this sort of thing. Social media should be nothing more than a tool for staying in touch with friends and family (or promoting your work if you’re in the public eye). When you use it as a soapbox it seems to almost always backfire.
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Post by jgblunners on Sept 29, 2019 9:25:22 GMT
I see she is being supported by the Christian Legal Centre. I'll just say they are worth a google and leave it at that. WOW She should've looked them up on Wikipedia before starting this, the precedent has already been set in one of their previous cases: "Eunice and Owen Johns, a Christian couple who applied to become foster parents with Derby City Council. They withdrew their application after a social worker expressed concerns when they said they could not tell a child a homosexual lifestyle was acceptable. The two parties jointly agreed to take the case to the High Court, for clarification of the law, but the court sided with the city council; stating that laws protecting people from discrimination, because of their sexual orientation, "should take precedence" over the right not to be discriminated against on religious grounds." Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Legal_Centre
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Post by ptwest on Sept 29, 2019 9:41:07 GMT
If I'm reading that correctly, she is suing for the right to express her religious beliefs. She has that right. She expressed them. And now she needs to live with the consequences. This is absolutely right -freedom of speech does not mean you are then excused from consequences as a result of that. Lets hope that common sense prevails.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 29, 2019 10:03:21 GMT
She will lose and make herself even less employable as a result.
Her choice to believe what she has been taught in no way gives her the right to express homophobic bigotry.
The case law is clear. What a waste of a court's time.
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Post by Rukaya on Sept 29, 2019 10:44:56 GMT
What gross news on a Sunday morning. As if suing the Curve will make her more employable? Psh.
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Post by xanady on Sept 29, 2019 17:19:59 GMT
The Ngole ruling suggests to me that she has a strong chance of winning this...could ruin the Curve if she does?
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 29, 2019 19:43:36 GMT
Her choice of religion is not enough to give her the right to express homophobia. The law is clear on that.
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Post by xanady on Sept 29, 2019 20:20:18 GMT
We shall see...
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 29, 2019 20:22:33 GMT
Her twitter has been locked down. That’s recent because it wasn’t when I happened to look a couple of weeks ago.
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Post by kathryn on Sept 29, 2019 20:23:27 GMT
Well it certainly ain’t going to make anyone keen to employ her in a theatre.
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Post by longinthetooth on Sept 29, 2019 20:48:50 GMT
It's her sheer hypocrisy that gets me. Notwithstanding her obnoxious views, she was quite happy to take on the role of Celie. How did she justify that to herself, I wonder?
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Post by londonpostie on Sept 29, 2019 20:49:32 GMT
I'm completely out of touch; is it not acceptable to say homosexuality is "not right"?
It's interesting for me, I'd say pretty well half the people I work with in multicultural south London would share than view - mostly African Christians and south Asian Muslims, and/or the second generations thereof.
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Post by theatremadness on Sept 29, 2019 21:30:48 GMT
I'm completely out of touch Yes, you are.
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Post by londonpostie on Sept 29, 2019 21:34:00 GMT
I'll let half the people I work with know.
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Post by theatremadness on Sept 29, 2019 21:55:07 GMT
Please do!
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Post by zahidf on Sept 29, 2019 22:42:03 GMT
I'm completely out of touch; is it not acceptable to say homosexuality is "not right"? It's interesting for me, I'd say pretty well half the people I work with in multicultural south London would share than view - mostly African Christians and south Asian Muslims, and/or the second generations thereof. What's your point? Is this a hamsmfisted defence of her?
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Post by Phantom of London on Sept 29, 2019 23:03:52 GMT
I see she is being supported by the Christian Legal Centre. I'll just say they are worth a google and leave it at that. No doubt the collection plate goes out to make a stance and make this homophobe into a martyr - as in the same case as the hotelier and bakery shop owner. I actually thought the bible preached love you neighbour, this isn’t qualified by saying except if they’re gay and lesbian. I hate religion, one thing I have learned about religion is that it does a very good job following the money.
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Post by londonpostie on Sept 30, 2019 6:42:08 GMT
I'm completely out of touch; is it not acceptable to say homosexuality is "not right"? It's interesting for me, I'd say pretty well half the people I work with in multicultural south London would share than view - mostly African Christians and south Asian Muslims, and/or the second generations thereof. What's your point? Is this a hamsmfisted defence of her? It's not a binary choice, imo. It can be a journey or knowledge and or maturity.
Assuming she's of Nigerian heritage and from south London I know well many people from her community. Whether you believe in organised religion or not, they do extraordinary work in the community -in their opinion, Gods work. I've never met people more 'angelic' in their nature and who offer such selfless sacrifice. I like those people very much.
Homosexuality was legalised in this particular country in 1967. Gay marriage 2-3 years ago? Must religious teaching two thousand years old absolutely keep up with developments in this particular society from the very recent decades? Must the whole world keep pace with London? Must everyone instantly fall in step - becasue I don't see that with other societal issues.
Also, I'd be interested in knowing a little more about what's happened with that pre-theatre school pastor's daughter from 5 years ago - when she put that on Facebook - to the professional woman she is now. For example,who she has met on the way.
Would she even be trying to open up a conversation with her parents by taking the role, something too confrontational, even disrespectful to say to them directly. If that's the case then this outcome - this instant trial, verdict and sentence by social media - is a good opportunity missed for everyone.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 30, 2019 7:15:06 GMT
What's your point? Is this a hamsmfisted defence of her?
Also, I'd be interested in knowing a little more about what's happened with that pre-theatre school pastor's daughter from 5 years ago - when she put that on Facebook - to the professional woman she is now. For example,who she has met on the way.
Not much happened, despite meeting many people according to this:
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Post by londonpostie on Sept 30, 2019 7:19:21 GMT
I don't know why but I can't see quoted tweets on this board (if that is a tweet).
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 30, 2019 7:25:29 GMT
I don't know why but I can't see quoted tweets on this board (if that is a tweet). It’s a tweet from @julianhoult on 16th March this year. He was a fellow cast member on Little Shop of Horrors.
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Post by londonpostie on Sept 30, 2019 8:02:02 GMT
I'm sure you understand she will go to church every Sunday with a father she loves and admires, and a congregation of very many hundreds who will have known her since birth. Well, it's more than church it's most of the day. Beyond saying that, I pretty well despise social media.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Sept 30, 2019 8:26:44 GMT
LGBT people have existed a hell of a lot longer than organised religion has, and I heard a rumour once they even have gays outside of London now!
During the initial controversy lots of theatre people and actors were posting privately about this young woman having a reputation for being difficult and for treating co-workers badly, including allegations of her making homophobic and bullying comments to other actors.
If these allegations have substance, Curve can mount a defence that they fired her due to her mistreatment of colleagues, and not (or at least not exclusively) over her social media posts.
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Post by kathryn on Sept 30, 2019 9:56:42 GMT
Would she even be trying to open up a conversation with her parents by taking the role, something too confrontational, even disrespectful to say to them directly. If that's the case then this outcome - this instant trial, verdict and sentence by social media - is a good opportunity missed for everyone. [/div][/quote] She is suing the Curve, saying she was discriminated against, so no, clearly she hasn't been on any kind of growth journey. A growth journey would require her to acknowledge her stunning hypocrisy in espousing anti-gay views while playing a gay character, and making her gay colleagues uncomfortable by expressing said views. Views she obviously stands by, and continues to express, or she wouldn't be taking this to court. It's fair enough for people to say that their religion causes their homophobia - they're wrong, but they have their right to their beliefs. It's not fair enough to take those views into the workplace- which is what she did by her own choice. She didn't have to audition for that role.
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