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Post by danb on Oct 28, 2020 20:18:01 GMT
It just strikes me as sour grapes and bitchy ‘not supporting strong women’. All of the women have been strong this year but if you dare to be young and attractive with it you should expect some push back? Its like the last 50 years never happened.
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Post by poster J on Oct 29, 2020 0:21:14 GMT
It just strikes me as sour grapes and bitchy ‘not supporting strong women’. All of the women have been strong this year but if you dare to be young and attractive with it you should expect some push back? Its like the last 50 years never happened. As a woman almost the same age as Lottie (which surprises me, I thought she was younger), all of that has nothing whatsoever to do with me disliking her, so I would appreciate it if those of us who aren't fans aren't labelled "sour grapes and bitchy". That's a rather sweeping generalisation yet at the same time a narrow-minded statement. People are allowed to have different opinions. I just find her general demeanour annoying, end of story. Nothing to do with whether she is a strong woman or not - strong women come in all shapes, sizes and mannerisms and no-one has to like them all. And certainly nothing to do with whether she is attractive as on that score I really couldn't care less.
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Post by danb on Oct 29, 2020 6:04:22 GMT
It just strikes me as sour grapes and bitchy ‘not supporting strong women’. All of the women have been strong this year but if you dare to be young and attractive with it you should expect some push back? Its like the last 50 years never happened. As a woman almost the same age as Lottie (which surprises me, I thought she was younger), all of that has nothing whatsoever to do with me disliking her, so I would appreciate it if those of us who aren't fans aren't labelled "sour grapes and bitchy". That's a rather sweeping generalisation yet at the same time a narrow-minded statement. People are allowed to have different opinions. I just find her general demeanour annoying, end of story. Nothing to do with whether she is a strong woman or not - strong women come in all shapes, sizes and mannerisms and no-one has to like them all. And certainly nothing to do with whether she is attractive as on that score I really couldn't care less. It was just an observation, and as you say, my opinion. The same thing happened with Ruby Tandoh...I do think that they try and cast this character most years now, which does them a disservice. Being painted as anything to make you easily identifiable to the viewer must be frustrating but comes with the territory on Bake Off.
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Post by kathryn on Oct 29, 2020 11:00:35 GMT
Yes, do bear in mind that the idea of the 'younger woman contestant flirting with Paul Hollywood' is created in the editing room by the programme makers, and has sod all to do with the contestants themselves or even Paul.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Oct 29, 2020 11:29:46 GMT
Was Candice prior to Ruby? Didn't want Ruby to get everything thrown at her for this 'role'? Who was initially first cast for this role?
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Post by lynette on Oct 29, 2020 16:42:13 GMT
All the contestants can be labelled as types seen before many times and on all of the ‘doing stuff’ programmes - the game oldie, the experienced gran, the gay Bloke with the lovely husband, the attractive gal, the far too young for his/her ability plus a few more. Some of them can cook and do actually the stuff they are asked to do. I suppose when they call auditions they divide them into groups and choose one of each or we would get 12 highly experienced middle aged female identifying above average cooks. Lottie’s efforts in J week were excellent.
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Post by kathryn on Oct 29, 2020 20:47:12 GMT
Have we had any lesbian ladies with lovely wives?
I can’t think of any, but my memory is lousy.
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Post by jaqs on Oct 29, 2020 20:54:16 GMT
Ruby though no lovely wife. I think Yan from last year has a wife though I don’t remember her being featured.
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Post by kathryn on Oct 30, 2020 12:02:27 GMT
Ruby wasn't out during the show, though - hence the Hollywood flirting accusations.
And I meant more in terms of the 'character types' that they cast for the show. There may be hundreds of lesbians with lovely wives on our TV screens, and we just don't know about it because they're not featured storylines (I take it we all realise that even reality and competition shows construct storylines...).
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Post by lynette on Nov 3, 2020 21:55:13 GMT
😳 Lottie.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Nov 3, 2020 22:56:33 GMT
She was the worst this week over all.
Fair result.
Why didn't they get some blast chillers installed? We all knew that it was going to be a very hot few days. Better freezers would have been the right choice to make.
The reason I won't try out for the show again until they stop setting people up to fail.
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Post by BoOverall on Nov 4, 2020 6:24:09 GMT
She was the worst this week over all. Fair result. Why didn't they get some blast chillers installed? We all knew that it was going to be a very hot few days. Better freezers would have been the right choice to make. The reason I won't try out for the show again until they stop setting people up to fail. Exactly. Very hard in that sort of situation not to go all out with creative ideas at the planning and practising stage, and then leave little room to adapt for “live issues”. But “simple” done very well, as Hermine did, really is key: at well-judged times! The right result for sure. Quite warmed to her as the weeks went on but this week did not go her way. Dave needs to up his game and rein in some of his flavour ideas. I think him or Laura might not last much longer. But the tent is a strange place: years ago I thought John Whaite was pretty weak most of the time but he won (and fairly ad square as his final bakes were terrific)
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Post by kathryn on Nov 4, 2020 7:39:54 GMT
She was the worst this week over all. Fair result. Why didn't they get some blast chillers installed? We all knew that it was going to be a very hot few days. Better freezers would have been the right choice to make. The reason I won't try out for the show again until they stop setting people up to fail. Playing Devil’s Advocate: It is notable that some people did manage to do very well even with the heat. And the contestants also all knew it was going to be a very hot few days (sod’s law - anything that requires it to be cool in the tent will take place on a hot day). So the people who planned their cakes with that in mind succeeded, and the ones who didn’t did badly. (Apart from Laura, who probably would have been ok if she’d pushed the right button on the ice cream maker. But she seems to keep making simple mistakes under the intense pressure, so I suspect she’ll fo next week.)
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 4, 2020 8:49:10 GMT
She was the worst this week over all. Fair result. Why didn't they get some blast chillers installed? We all knew that it was going to be a very hot few days. Better freezers would have been the right choice to make. The reason I won't try out for the show again until they stop setting people up to fail. Playing Devil’s Advocate: It is notable that some people did manage to do very well even with the heat. And the contestants also all knew it was going to be a very hot few days (sod’s law - anything that requires it to be cool in the tent will take place on a hot day). So the people who planned their cakes with that in mind succeeded, and the ones who didn’t did badly. (Apart from Laura, who probably would have been ok if she’d pushed the right button on the ice cream maker. But she seems to keep making simple mistakes under the intense pressure, so I suspect she’ll fo next week.) Yep bakers choice of cake played a big part in the result. I'm going to stop calling out my new favourite as they keep getting worst baker. Rowan, then Mark then Lottie all gone. (Come on Hermine but sssssshhhhh)
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Post by poster J on Nov 4, 2020 8:50:22 GMT
Lottie's was just a bad idea that wouldn't have worked that well on a cooler day, never mind in a heat wave. She deserved to go.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Nov 4, 2020 10:01:24 GMT
She was the worst this week over all. Fair result. Why didn't they get some blast chillers installed? We all knew that it was going to be a very hot few days. Better freezers would have been the right choice to make. The reason I won't try out for the show again until they stop setting people up to fail. Playing Devil’s Advocate: It is notable that some people did manage to do very well even with the heat. And the contestants also all knew it was going to be a very hot few days (sod’s law - anything that requires it to be cool in the tent will take place on a hot day). So the people who planned their cakes with that in mind succeeded, and the ones who didn’t did badly. (Apart from Laura, who probably would have been ok if she’d pushed the right button on the ice cream maker. But she seems to keep making simple mistakes under the intense pressure, so I suspect she’ll fo next week.) Given you have to submit your recipes well in advance, you don't get to change things because of the weather. Yes planning is key. But until you experience the tent, you can't fully prepare
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Post by kathryn on Nov 4, 2020 10:12:55 GMT
Playing Devil’s Advocate: It is notable that some people did manage to do very well even with the heat. And the contestants also all knew it was going to be a very hot few days (sod’s law - anything that requires it to be cool in the tent will take place on a hot day). So the people who planned their cakes with that in mind succeeded, and the ones who didn’t did badly. (Apart from Laura, who probably would have been ok if she’d pushed the right button on the ice cream maker. But she seems to keep making simple mistakes under the intense pressure, so I suspect she’ll fo next week.) Given you have to submit your recipes well in advance, you don't get to change things because of the weather. Yes planning is key. But until you experience the tent, you can't fully prepare Sure - but anyone who watches the show knows that they all complain about how hot it gets, year after year. It's filmed in summer, in a tent, with lighting all around and 6 ovens going..... Anything involving something that needs to be cold to sculpt is going to be a struggle even if the weather cooperates!
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Post by oxfordsimon on Nov 4, 2020 10:59:44 GMT
Lottie absolutely made the wrong call in trying to scuplt ice cream. A firmer set recipe in a mould would have been the only possible way to achieve that design.
Ice cream in that tent never goes well. They put it in for drama and drama alone.
If they wanted them to do well, blast chillers would be there. Plus bigger freezers in general. Even those high end domestic ones will never cope with extreme conditions
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Post by firefingers on Nov 4, 2020 11:03:23 GMT
Should have been Dave getting the heave ho for his guff quiches and a doughnut that was a country mile from the rest. Think he'll be gone next week, Laura the week after.
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Post by lynette on Nov 5, 2020 11:56:57 GMT
Of course they should have got air con and bigger freezers in. Just goes to show that this isn’t about baking but about personality which is why we watch it.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 5, 2020 13:28:45 GMT
Should have been Dave getting the heave ho for his guff quiches and a doughnut that was a country mile from the rest. Think he'll be gone next week, Laura the week after. One good week and one in the final?
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Post by digipal on Nov 5, 2020 19:44:55 GMT
I'll miss Lottie, she had a great personality and I loved her snarky asides. Everyone else, to use a baking ingredient term, IMHO, is just a bit vanilla
Seriously though, an ice cream challenge in a tent without air conditioning, on one of the hottest days of the year, with only a domestic fridge's freezer cabinet and an ice cream machine is just crazy
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Post by oxfordsimon on Nov 10, 2020 22:47:19 GMT
There is no way you can make a Sussex Pond Pudding in that amount of time. 3.5 hours steaming is what you need.
And I don't see the point of jelly art.
Not a great week of challenges.
Probably the right result
Shame though as I had him as a possible winner
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Post by sfsusan on Nov 10, 2020 23:31:22 GMT
There is no way you can make a Sussex Pond Pudding in that amount of time. 3.5 hours steaming is what you need. Yes, it seemed unfair since nobody had enough time to do it properly. But I suppose they consider it like the ice cream challenge on such a hot day... everyone is equally disadvantaged, so they judge against the other contestants, not against the ideal. I would love to try a Sussex Pond Pudding, though... the example one looked delicious! I've never seen it on a dessert menu, though... I gather it's not common?
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Post by oxfordsimon on Nov 10, 2020 23:36:54 GMT
You won't see it on a menu very often as it isn't something you can serve as portions easily
It makes a great family pud and is very easy to do.
Just takes time
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Post by emsworthian on Nov 11, 2020 10:13:40 GMT
I seem to remember that it was fashionable in the 80s and featured on restaurant menus. I assume for individual portions they use a section of lemon rather than a whole one.
As OxfordSimon said, it is not that difficult to do. I was surprised that they seem thrown by pleating the grease-proof paper as that is a fairly basic skill and yet the contestants achieve complex technical tasks in other challenges that I couldn't possibly do.
I once served Sussex Pond Pudding it to my family and the air inside the lemon made the suet pudding pulsate as if it were alive, which freaked out my father.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 11, 2020 10:26:36 GMT
There is no way you can make a Sussex Pond Pudding in that amount of time. 3.5 hours steaming is what you need. And I don't see the point of jelly art. Not a great week of challenges. Probably the right result Shame though as I had him as a possible winner This
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Post by kathryn on Nov 11, 2020 10:59:36 GMT
There is no way you can make a Sussex Pond Pudding in that amount of time. 3.5 hours steaming is what you need. And I don't see the point of jelly art. Not a great week of challenges. Probably the right result Shame though as I had him as a possible winner I was just going to say that the BBC website says it takes 2.5 hours, and then realised that the actual recipe says 3.5 hours and it's the way that Google interprets the information that makes it show 2.5 in search results: www.google.com/search?q=How+long+does+a+sussex+pond+pudding+take+to+steam&rlz=1C1GGRV_enGB768GB768&oq=How+long+does+a+sussex+pond+pudding+take+to+steam&aqs=chrome..69i57.11657j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8But I guess the real test was: who knows enough about steam puddings to realise that they take much longer to cook and the one that'll be in the steamer the longest will win? It does amaze me how often the contestants say they've never seen or heard of something before. Surely you spend a bit of time swotting up on what's in Leith's Cookery Bible before you enter? The point of jelly art is to make something the viewer can judge easily, I think, since the actual important bit (tasting) we can't do. Some of them did look very pretty.
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Post by lynette on Nov 12, 2020 14:50:00 GMT
I also don't see the point of setting them up for failure by not allowing enough time. The whole shebang is edited for viewers anyway, we don’t have to sit there for three and a half hours so why not give them the time and get good results?
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Post by oxfordsimon on Nov 18, 2020 14:24:14 GMT
Well that Danish horn thing was just odd. Certainly not patisserie.
It must have been a close call to send Hermon home. She did have a shocking showstopper and only herself to blame given the last minute change of recipe.
I find it hard to imagine anything other than a male winner given how messy Laura has been thus far.
But the lack of kitchen time between recording sessions is really showing now. Inevitable under the circumstances.
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