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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 22, 2019 21:49:27 GMT
And she still owes me a ton of money from the third of the concert she didn’t perform in Manchester. Me too. Not to mention paying top price and being so far to the side that we were almost backstage. It was a disgrace.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 7:09:55 GMT
I am still hoping that she does London at a decent time, but I’m not really convinced at this point. She was late for her last tour in a lot of places, but in London she was on time (9pm start), included songs scrapped from the US run and threw in an extra song (Like a Prayer) for good measure. Fingers crossed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 7:41:42 GMT
Ticketmaster has now updated all US start times to 10.30pm. UK remains at 8.30pm start. For now. At this rate if the start time changes to 10.30pm here, I might as well go see Come From Away around the corner first!
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Post by Jonnyboy on Oct 27, 2019 20:30:34 GMT
What was the original time for the US? Half eight? I don’t get it. Is there a TV programme she has to catch live each night?
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Post by danb on Oct 28, 2019 9:13:18 GMT
No. She is an artist. She feels that she should not be bound by such outmoded constructs as time, inconvenience, other people, public transport...dull mundanity. She must be allowed her freedom to create...(a remixed version of the the same show she has been performing for the last twenty years)
Picture the scene: a relatively low key entrance after a big build up...controversial video clip...sweary talky bit...look I took guitar lessons bit...I’m gonna throw you one you know now but mess about with it...whole company run around the stage in celebration of life bit...three minutes of musically interesting appropriation of some other (normally non-white) artist that she has ‘discovered’ on her travels...lots of new songs only one of which is any good...Ray of Light that she thinks everyone loves but they’d much rather hear Express Yourself done properly...another run around the stage bit that goes all ‘stadium house’ with eerily good vocals (this happens several times throughout the night dependent on her chakras)....followed by either Holiday or Vogue depending on the moon....disappear down a pit in the middle of the stage without saying thank you or goodbye.
Audience traipse out weighed down by their £50 ‘tour book’ in a hessian tote bag (£17) that hasn’t oppressed anyone. Smug lanyard wearing VIP’s stumble out realising that they just spent a months salary on that, and she didn’t even sing ‘that one they like from that film’.
#notbitter
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 28, 2019 22:15:11 GMT
It's a disgrace. Any more than half an hour late and I'd be at the box office demanding a refund.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 29, 2019 16:42:17 GMT
No. She is an artist. She feels that she should not be bound by such outmoded constructs as time, inconvenience, other people, public transport...dull mundanity. She must be allowed her freedom to create...(a remixed version of the the same show she has been performing for the last twenty years) :relatively low key entrance after a big build up...controversial video clip...sweary talky bit...look I took guitar lessons bit...I’m gonna throw you one you know now but mess about with it...whole company run around the stage in celebration of life bit...three minutes of musically interesting appropriation of some other (normally non-white) artist that she has ‘discovered’ on her travels...lots of new songs only one of which is any good...Ray of Light that she thinks everyone loves but they’d much rather hear Express Yourself done properly...another run around the stage bit that goes all ‘stadium house’ with eerily good vocals (this happens several times throughout the night dependent on her chakras)....followed by either Holiday or Vogue depending on the moon....disappear down a pit in the middle of the stage without saying thank you or goodbye. Audience traipse out weighed down by their £50 ‘tour book’ in a hessian tote bag (£17) that hasn’t oppressed anyone. Smug lanyard wearing VIP’s stumble out realising that they just spent a months salary on that, and she didn’t even sing ‘that one they like from that film’. #notbitter She should finish with a clunky flight over the audience with her knickers on show.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 23:18:26 GMT
Madge doesn’t need to take flight for her knickers to be on show!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 31, 2019 8:09:52 GMT
It’s usually a relief to find that she’s actually wearing some!
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Post by ukpuppetboy on Nov 9, 2019 1:06:06 GMT
Even with the adjusted start times she still didn’t get to the stage until gone midnight for her Vegas gig on Thursday. Or conclude until 2.30. David Badella and Friends at The Alleycat used to have a more reasonable show schedule.. Madonna’s Vegas Shows Off to a Rocky Start
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Post by Jonnyboy on Nov 9, 2019 10:32:40 GMT
Disgusting. No other word for it.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 9, 2019 19:06:06 GMT
She’s clearly doing it on purpose now, for what reason, who knows. If it’s to court controversy then it’s a huge mistake because there’s nothing fabulous about your ‘fans’ chanting “REFUND REFUND”.
She’s misguided.
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Post by danb on Nov 9, 2019 20:42:18 GMT
At least in Vegas they aren’t far from their hotel room. Last time I saw her I had a hotel five minutes away because I’d read about this ‘arrogance’ I guess. It is the ultimate **** you to the people who pay her kids school fees. Not cool.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 3:19:42 GMT
No excuses. My guess is there is an actual reason why she isn’t on stage at the advertised time, but god knows what it is and why it isn’t sorted earlier. I know she’s suffering from a cold and she’s telling audiences she has tendinitis, but her response to a 12am start time? “A Queen is never late”. It’s right there on her instagram. If she does this in London there’ll be hell to pay.
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Post by Xanderl on Nov 10, 2019 10:08:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 14:08:42 GMT
So I’ve read a lot of fan reports that claim despite the late start, the show was brilliant. However she was heckled about her lateness, there was chants for refunds during the opening and when she dared ask the audience, as she was climbing on to a piano, if they minded if she took a nap... it did not go down well and supposedly she was quite upset at the reaction.
Anyway, she turned up at 10.45 last night.
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Post by talkingheads on Nov 11, 2019 17:47:27 GMT
I hope this bloke gets every penny he's asking for and then some. Every audience member should be in on it. She'd bloody well be on time then!
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Post by talkingheads on Nov 11, 2019 18:40:54 GMT
I'm not even a Madonna fan but this really pisses me off. By comparison, when I saw Cher (a 'diva' superstar who's so many leagues above Madonna I hate to mention her in the same space) she was on time, thanked the audience from the heart (well it seemed genuine anyway!) Entertained the crowd, getting laughs for fifteen minutes, reacting to the room and then putting on one of the best concerts I've ever seen for a tenth of the price if a Madonna ticket.
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Post by Jon on Nov 11, 2019 20:09:38 GMT
I'm surprised Live Nation hasn't stepped in to have a word with her about her lateness.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 22:12:18 GMT
I'm surprised Live Nation hasn't stepped in to have a word with her about her lateness. She’s said her manager keeps asking her to turn up on time (and sing more of her older songs) but she ignores him. At this point she’s her own worst enemy... but last night she turned up at the advertised time (which is still 10.30pm) which is a start.
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Post by intoanewlife on Nov 13, 2019 18:26:17 GMT
She's a sociopath, that's her excuse x
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Post by craig on Nov 14, 2019 13:43:29 GMT
I know that confidence and arrogance have always been part of Madonna's schtick, but she has just become entirely unappealing this last decade. She could get away with it if the music was fantastic but it's actively bad. It's hard not to imagine that she's making bad decisions on purpose at this point. She's unrecognisable as the artist she once was and she seems too far gone.
Everything I've heard about this tour has exemplified the greed that seems to drive her, from the ticket prices to the laughable VIP packages to the auctioning of the polaroid. It's all most unseemly and even her most ardent of fans must be getting fed up with it now. It's been pleasing to see that many dates have been far from sold out, suggesting there is at least a ceiling for these ever increasing ticket prices we're seeing in the arts.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 14, 2019 18:33:34 GMT
^^^ totally agree. I’d have defended her to the hilt up until a couple of years ago but it started to turn sour for me with that MDMA tour where she kept us waiting in Birmingham. And then Rebel Heart where we didn’t see the last third of the show because of the late start combined with the arena curfew put the tin lid on it.
She wants to be careful because when people get older (as her fan base is) their tolerance level for this sort of thing drops. It’s all downhill from here love, you need to keep the fans you have left on board, not totally alienate them.
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Post by Jonnyboy on Nov 14, 2019 19:22:51 GMT
I agree but she shouldn’t get away with it even with the best music ever. You put on a concert, you turn up at start time. Simple as.
Imagine if one of her children wanted urgent medication at the pharmacy. “Sorry, Madge, the pharmacist is going on duty in two hours, maybe four.”
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Post by The Matthew on Nov 14, 2019 19:33:38 GMT
If she's late the audience should get together and put on their own entertainment. And then kick her out when she belatedly turns up for not having a ticket to their show.
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Post by intoanewlife on Nov 14, 2019 21:26:50 GMT
She wants to be careful because when people get older (as her fan base is) their tolerance level for this sort of thing drops. It’s all downhill from here love, you need to keep the fans you have left on board, not totally alienate them. Nope they don't. They all say it's Madonna if you buy tickets you know what to expect. It's psychotic...
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Post by Jonnyboy on Nov 14, 2019 21:56:11 GMT
If she's late the audience should get together and put on their own entertainment. And then kick her out when she belatedly turns up for not having a ticket to their show. HA! I so want to be in this audience!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 22:08:56 GMT
She's a sociopath, that's her excuse x In fairness, I’m not entirely convinced that is her excuse.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 22:45:32 GMT
I know that confidence and arrogance have always been part of Madonna's schtick, but she has just become entirely unappealing this last decade. She could get away with it if the music was fantastic but it's actively bad. It's hard not to imagine that she's making bad decisions on purpose at this point. She's unrecognisable as the artist she once was and she seems too far gone. . Everything changed as soon as she got divorced and I’m not sure she ever managed to get over it. She was certainly desperately unhappy during RHT when Rocco refused to return home, and at the time I know her legal team asked the court to arrest Guy for kidnapping Rocco. There was certainly something underhand about how that all went down, considering Madonna was on tour and unable to just drop everything to fly to London and sort it herself. She’s also spoke about this over the last few weeks on stage, talking about how Guy give Rocco the money to hire his own legal team, supposedly telling him what lies to tell the court, how he took $100 million in the divorce etc... I don’t think it helped that Guy then went and married a woman 24 years younger than her and had a whole bunch of biological kids. But you know, there’s never a winner when it comes to divorce and you just have to deal with it.
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Post by intoanewlife on Nov 15, 2019 0:48:22 GMT
I know that confidence and arrogance have always been part of Madonna's schtick, but she has just become entirely unappealing this last decade. She could get away with it if the music was fantastic but it's actively bad. It's hard not to imagine that she's making bad decisions on purpose at this point. She's unrecognisable as the artist she once was and she seems too far gone. . Everything changed as soon as she got divorced and I’m not sure she ever managed to get over it. She was certainly desperately unhappy during RHT when Rocco refused to return home, and at the time I know her legal team asked the court to arrest Guy for kidnapping Rocco. There was certainly something underhand about how that all went down, considering Madonna was on tour and unable to just drop everything to fly to London and sort it herself. She’s also spoke about this over the last few weeks on stage, talking about how Guy give Rocco the money to hire his own legal team, supposedly telling him what lies to tell the court, how he took $100 million in the divorce etc... I don’t think it helped that Guy then went and married a woman 24 years younger than her and had a whole bunch of biological kids. But you know, there’s never a winner when it comes to divorce and you just have to deal with it. Sorry but you're clutching quite badly here. I was a fan for many many years, but the moment she lost me for good (and frankly it was after years of having doubts because of her terrible behaviour) was when she did Grahame Norton and treated the fans who gave her the dolls in such a horrible way and that was while she was still with Guy. Everything you have written is heresy and frankly it's pathetic she is even talking about this stuff in public. She is just a nasty person it's as simple as that. She's always has been, it is nothing new. She treats people like dirt and her relationship with her fans is like Stockholm syndrome. The difference is that as younger fans we used to laugh it off or think YAY what a strong woman, but as adults you just can't ignore it. Yes the woman has made some great music and is a fantastic live performer. But she has always treated her fans with distain no matter what faux niceties she added to her act after going to a couple of Kylie concerts, where she sat texting on her phone the whole show and now has the gaul to take people's phones off them and make them sit waiting for 3-4 hours without them at hers.
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