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Post by peggs on Apr 21, 2019 21:26:55 GMT
I do obviously want to find out what is going on (except you don't really do you, it always leads onto the next series) but I think i'm getting a bit tired of everyone talking in code, do the police really never use actual words? and am just thinking get on with it. Knew person d shouldn't have trusted person e, should have listened to me.
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Post by Backdrifter on Apr 21, 2019 22:42:02 GMT
My favourite theory so far: the entire story, right from series 1, is founded on Jed Mercurio's irritation about the common misspelling 'definately'. Its just taken 5 series to build up to it.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 22, 2019 0:25:07 GMT
I am intrigued by 2 new elements this week - firstly the Irish connection. Given how much detail we were given, it is clearly important - the style of attack on Mrs H, the family connection. It made me wonder whether H might have an Irish prison connection. The H Block was such a key part of the Troubles - that could be connected in some way.
I am struggling to place who the prisoner was that Hastings went to visit - Lee, I believe, was the name and the only Lee from previous episodes was someone in episode 2 of the 1st season (and I can't quite place who he was).... *goes off to Google*
Lee - having just gone back through that episode - was the burglar who jumped out of the window whilst being chased by the two PCs and ended up with broken limbs in prison and just coughed to various other offences as TIC as part of the laddering. Assuming that was the same Lee - but it is the only character of that name we have met since 2012
Now the actors for these two Lees are different - so I might be barking up the wrong tree. Given how consistent that casting has been in other areas... I don't know - but there has to be some significance to that prison visit - particularly as Hastings didn't drive himself there (we didn't see who did drive) and he was still in uniform.
Mercurio has a lot of fast work to do over the final 2.5 hours to unravel everything.
My guess is that Hastings is being set up (the envelope of money will surely be traceable back to the depot raid), the laptop hasn't destroyed (who wraps something up in that much bubble wrap if you are going to trash it), the spelling error is just too big a clue now for it to be real.
But I didn't see tonight's shocker coming - I said earlier in the episode that I didn't expect that character to make it to the end of the series - but ep4 is v early.
Utterly gripping (even if it is lacking in plausibility at times)
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Apr 22, 2019 0:54:55 GMT
I am intrigued by 2 new elements this week - firstly the Irish connection. Given how much detail we were given, it is clearly important - the style of attack on Mrs H, the family connection. It made me wonder whether H might have an Irish prison connection. The H Block was such a key part of the Troubles - that could be connected in some way. I am struggling to place who the prisoner was that Hastings went to visit - Lee, I believe, was the name and the only Lee from previous episodes was someone in episode 2 of the 1st season (and I can't quite place who he was).... *goes off to Google* ---- The guy who Hastings went to see in prison was part of the OCG arrested earlier in the season when he went to see the female officer who escaped the carnage at the beginning of episode one. I'd also thought of the H blocks when the Irish connection became obvious, there might be something in that. At the moment I'm thinking that Hastings has gone off piste and has his own plant in the OCG, that being Lisa McQueen (maybe not an undercover officer but some other connection). He's working outside the system as he's convinced that the system itself is rigged. He's been working the computer communication angle with her. He might have given a coded message to get rid of Corbett as he's dangerous and getting in the way (or that may have been a cock up). Otherwise, maybe he went to see the guy in prison to give him the tip off on who Corbett was. Or maybe it's something totally different.....
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 22, 2019 1:00:46 GMT
Ah right - thanks - I could only find one Lee via IMDB
There is still more to come on so many of the plot lines
I didn't quite follow how they were able to tap into the messenger service and work out the messaging necessary to convince them - so Hastings running McQueen would make sense of that
It is all very complicated.
Was amazed to see the contents of the freezer...
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Post by alece10 on Apr 22, 2019 6:50:02 GMT
I do obviously want to find out what is going on (except you don't really do you, it always leads onto the next series) but I think i'm getting a bit tired of everyone talking in code, do the police really never use actual words? No they dont!
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Post by peggs on Apr 22, 2019 9:44:29 GMT
I was quite surprised Ted was a speed typer, he spends most of his time frowning threw glass windows and coming out with those oh we love them Ted phrases so don't know when he found time to hone his typing. The spelling thing was rather wasted on me since I can't spell so missed it both times.
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Post by wickedgrin on Apr 22, 2019 12:10:23 GMT
I’d make a crap detective as I definitely haven’t a clue what is going on but it’s absolutely riveting viewing! The only thing I know for certain is that H is definitely not me as I have spell check on my PC!
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Post by danb on Apr 22, 2019 15:18:50 GMT
Is it just me finding it all a bit ‘wooden’? It’s like an episode of Scooby Doo every time Ted is in the scene so heavy is all the insinuation and mis/direction. It feels like the Comic Relief sketch they did every time he’s on, ditto the senior police officer woman he was slinging one up while his wife got beaten up (my bet for H). WOODEN! And why the fascination with throat cutting? Is that an old Irish tradition too? Bleugh!🤢
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Post by Backdrifter on Apr 22, 2019 21:09:37 GMT
Utterly gripping (even if it is lacking in plausibility at times) This sums it up for me. It borders on operatically daft but is hugely watchable.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 22, 2019 23:14:51 GMT
With all the blood, it could tend towards the Grand Guignol! I would love Mercurio to write for the stage - his ability to handle big scenes (such as my fave episode - the final one of series 3) convinces me that he can write extended stuff that would work on stage. The two interrogations - Steve and Dot - are incredible pieces of work
In other news:
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Post by Backdrifter on Apr 23, 2019 8:10:09 GMT
^ I see she's doing the Tennison "I'm always a bit fed up" don't-mess-with-me thing in that still, much beloved of post-Prime Suspect female TV cops.
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Post by sparky5000 on Apr 23, 2019 10:33:21 GMT
Is it just me finding it all a bit ‘wooden’? It’s like an episode of Scooby Doo every time Ted is in the scene so heavy is all the insinuation and mis/direction. It feels like the Comic Relief sketch they did every time he’s on, ditto the senior police officer woman he was slinging one up while his wife got beaten up (my bet for H). WOODEN! And why the fascination with throat cutting? Is that an old Irish tradition too? Bleugh!🤢 It’s going for that vibe though which makes it so entertaining (to me anyway!). Of course it’s a bit ridiculous and implausible, but it’s so gripping! Especially when no one is safe!! 😬 My theory is that Kate will end up being H and Lisa McQueen is a undercover cop secretly hired by Ted to root her out! I mean, I don’t want Kate to be H, but it would be suitably shocking and it WAS her who voiced her Ted as H suspicions early in the season!
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Post by danb on Apr 23, 2019 12:13:55 GMT
Is it just me finding it all a bit ‘wooden’? It’s like an episode of Scooby Doo every time Ted is in the scene so heavy is all the insinuation and mis/direction. It feels like the Comic Relief sketch they did every time he’s on, ditto the senior police officer woman he was slinging one up while his wife got beaten up (my bet for H). WOODEN! And why the fascination with throat cutting? Is that an old Irish tradition too? Bleugh!🤢 It’s going for that vibe though which makes it so entertaining (to me anyway!). Of course it’s a bit ridiculous and implausible, but it’s so gripping! Especially when no one is safe!! 😬 My theory is that Kate will end up being H and Lisa McQueen is a undercover cop secretly hired by Ted to root her out! I mean, I don’t want Kate to be H, but it would be suitably shocking and it WAS her who voiced her Ted as H suspicions early in the season! Yes, but the first few series were genuinely thrilling and were unexpectedly brutal with its guest artists. Its great tv but may aswell be made by Ryan Murphy now it’s so OTT.
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Post by TallPaul on Apr 23, 2019 12:25:09 GMT
Forget Ryan Murphy, I vote for our @ryan as showrunner. 🙂
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Post by peggs on Apr 23, 2019 12:46:14 GMT
Forget Ryan Murphy, I vote for our @ryan as showrunner. 🙂 When is @ryan going to get on tv? As much as I enjoy him here surely we shouldn't be selfish and limit his impact
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 23, 2019 13:30:16 GMT
Given that Mercurio has said today that only about a dozen people know who H is, I don't think we will find out this season. Otherwise the entire cast and crew would be aware (or perhaps they filmed multiple scenes just to keep people guessing)
My best guess is that Hastings will be exposed as H - because he has been set up to appear that way. Anna Maxwell Martin will take over AC-12 and the next season will be about proving his innocence and exposing the real H
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 13:36:06 GMT
Forget Ryan Murphy, I vote for our @ryan as showrunner. 🙂 Only if I can also be in charge of casting. Forget Ryan Murphy, I vote for our @ryan as showrunner. 🙂 When is @ryan going to get on tv? As much as I enjoy him here surely we shouldn't be selfish and limit his impact To be honest, after seeing a TV actor becoming the President of Ukraine this weekend, I'm probably going to aim for loftier ambitions. I mean, it can't be that hard can it?
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Post by peggs on Apr 23, 2019 14:00:03 GMT
Forget Ryan Murphy, I vote for our @ryan as showrunner. 🙂 Only if I can also be in charge of casting. When is @ryan going to get on tv? As much as I enjoy him here surely we shouldn't be selfish and limit his impact To be honest, after seeing a TV actor becoming the President of Ukraine this weekend, I'm probably going to aim for loftier ambitions. I mean, it can't be that hard can it? World domination?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 14:35:25 GMT
To be honest, after seeing a TV actor becoming the President of Ukraine this weekend, I'm probably going to aim for loftier ambitions. I mean, it can't be that hard can it? World domination? Pretty much. I think we can all agree that it's the only role where all of my skills can be utilised to their best advantage really.
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Post by peggs on Apr 23, 2019 15:08:16 GMT
Pretty much. I think we can all agree that it's the only role where all of my skills can be utilised to their best advantage really. Well as long as you remember us all favourably seems a reasonable way ahead.
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Post by TallPaul on Apr 23, 2019 15:44:03 GMT
So, @ryan, if you are going for world domination as a way to utilise ALL of your skills, does that mean rather than H, we should refer to you as WD40?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 15:58:09 GMT
So, @ryan , if you are going for world domination as a way to utilise ALL of your skills, does that mean rather than H, we should refer to you as WD40? I spy a dissenter. At moments like this I think to myself, "what would the Duchess of Kent do?". So let's just say that she was the last person seen giving a sugar lump to Shergar back in the day and leave it at that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 20:08:00 GMT
I've been the only person in the UK not watching this, but my mum has raved about it for years, and I was back there over Easter so watched Sunday's episode with them. I thought Rochenda Sandall was an undercover cop, but maybe that's too obvious. I didn't recognise her, and kept wondering why she looked familiar, and it wasn't til today that I realised she was in The Nap (and was undercover/double dealing in that, which is maybe why I assumed she was fake in LoD too).
Anyway, I got home yesterday, and watched all of series 1 today, and enjoyed it a lot. I struggle to take Martin Compston as a good guy after seeing him in In Plain Sight, and hearing him being English seems so odd.
I'm about to start series 2, woo!
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Post by danb on Apr 25, 2019 11:33:40 GMT
I think I enjoyed 2 & 3 the best. Enjoy 😊
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Post by Backdrifter on Apr 25, 2019 12:35:51 GMT
I think I enjoyed 2 & 3 the best. Enjoy 😊 Those might be the peak for me as well. Not sure I want to say why, though - it relates to one character and that actor's performance. They're also before it started to go a bit daft, though still highly enjoyable and compelling.
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Post by Rory on Apr 25, 2019 12:40:37 GMT
I think Keeley Hawes was just amazing in this so the episodes with her were my favourites also. But it's the most gripping thing ever. And living in Belfast, you stumble upon them filming quite regularly so it's always fun to try to spot the locations when it airs.
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Post by Backdrifter on Apr 25, 2019 12:52:29 GMT
I think Keeley Hawes was just amazing in this so the episodes with her were my favourites also. But it's the most gripping thing ever. And living in Belfast, you stumble upon them filming quite regularly so it's always fun to try to spot the locations when it airs. I only recently learned it's filmed there. I really like Belfast, must get back there some time soon. In a recent interview Martin Compston said he switches from his native Scottish accent into Arnott's south London as soon as she steps off the plane at Belfast and retains it for the entire duration of filming.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 25, 2019 13:07:46 GMT
The first series was filmed in and around Birmingham but they do manage to keep the cityscape looking pretty generic so it could be anywhere in the UK.
It is far more convincing than the Morse franchise every was with Oxford - where you would see them driving down one street, turn left and suddenly be in a completely different part of the city that could never connect!
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Post by Rory on Apr 25, 2019 13:42:12 GMT
The first series was filmed in and around Birmingham but they do manage to keep the cityscape looking pretty generic so it could be anywhere in the UK. It is far more convincing than the Morse franchise every was with Oxford - where you would see them driving down one street, turn left and suddenly be in a completely different part of the city that could never connect! That happens in LOD as well but if you didn't know Belfast you wouldn't make the connection. I walked past Martin Compston out jogging this time! The apartments they use for Steve Arnott's place is down the road from me and they closed the road off on Halloween night to film there.
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