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Post by steve10086 on Apr 23, 2017 17:48:23 GMT
If they broadcast the cheap and shoddy touring version in cinemas it will be a travesty.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 8:19:19 GMT
I think it'll do a couple of arena shows like JCS
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Post by daniel on Apr 24, 2017 8:54:57 GMT
I've got no problem with Joseph as a show, and I'm sure when done properly it's probably quite good...but this particular production is an abomination. It's by far the most amateur-looking (I mean that with no disrespect to non-professional companies) "professional" show I've ever seen.
It's great that such a cheap production can offer really chip tickets for schools and families; I'm all for getting new audiences into theatre, but to put the current production into a West End house with inflated prices would anger me greatly. Have lower prices, with family deals and I'd possibly be more tolerable, but I still feel the production itself is nowhere near West End standards.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 9:04:22 GMT
Where would it go? I assume one of the playhouses as I doubt any of the bigger theatres will be available. Is there real demand for Joseph in the West End given it's toured since the Stone Age. It's ALW, why not The Other Palace? It's conspicuously empty of any runs after July, and they've already had a visit from RENT so are presumably open to that sort of thing.
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Post by steve10086 on Apr 24, 2017 9:09:24 GMT
I've got no problem with Joseph as a show, and I'm sure when done properly it's probably quite good...but this particular production is an abomination. It's by far the most amateur-looking (I mean that with no respect to non-professional companies) "professional" show I've ever seen. It's great that such a cheap production can offer really chip tickets for schools and families; I'm all for getting new audiences into theatre, but to put the current production into a West End house with inflated prices would anger me greatly. Have lower prices, with family deals and I'd possibly be more tolerable, but I still feel the production itself is nowhere near West End standards. [/rant] Couldn't agree more. The Palladium production of Joseph (later restaged at the Adelphi) proves it can be a quality show. But Kenwright's touring version is truly horrible. It's embarrassingly bad.
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Post by Honoured Guest on Apr 24, 2017 10:54:29 GMT
It's ALW, why not The Other Palace? It's conspicuously empty of any runs after July, and they've already had a visit from RENT so are presumably open to that sort of thing. Wasn't Rent the last show at the St. James Theatre, and The Other Palace opened with The Wild Party?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 11:09:30 GMT
It's ALW, why not The Other Palace? It's conspicuously empty of any runs after July, and they've already had a visit from RENT so are presumably open to that sort of thing. Wasn't Rent the last show at the St. James Theatre, and The Other Palace opened with The Wild Party? He is indeed correct. And as you're two people who do "enjoy" being "precise" on well, everything I think it's fair to adjudicate on this one. They changed over the signage and décor in the break between, and Wild Party was indeed the first Other Palace production.
ETA to be completely pedantic, Rent was of course a co-production with Clwyd.
It's still a stupid name though.
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Post by shady23 on Apr 24, 2017 12:02:20 GMT
I think it'll do a couple of arena shows like JCS It is, have just heard it's coming to Newcastle Arena, and no doubt the rest.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 12:17:20 GMT
I think it'll do a couple of arena shows like JCS It is, have just heard it's coming to Newcastle Arena, and no doubt the rest. Why why why Joseph....
I'd love to see a decent production but I LOATHE arenas.
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Post by daniel on Apr 24, 2017 13:04:26 GMT
And @superted wins the point for this one! 🎉🎉🎉 I think it'll do a couple of arena shows like JCS
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Post by singularsensation10 on Apr 24, 2017 13:43:58 GMT
I can see this backfiring badly. I actually love Joseph, it was the first show as a kid that got me obsessed with theatre, so will always hold a big place in my heart... BUT it doesn't have the same kind of cult following that JCS does. I also don't think the score is as 'big' as JCS score and will drown in a big venue. I saw the JCS arena tour and thought it was all kinds of wrong, and somehow think this will be an even more disappointing fail. Why not just do a big gala at the Palladium and get Donny Osmond, Philip Schofield, HfromSteps (that's his full name right?) etc with Linzi Harley, Maria Friedman and Vivienne Carlyle and other alumni back, and get ALW to play Jacob or something? This show is great when quality is put over quantity, and arena tours are hard to achieve that.
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Post by johartuk on Apr 24, 2017 14:20:06 GMT
I can see this backfiring badly. I actually love Joseph, it was the first show as a kid that got me obsessed with theatre, so will always hold a big place in my heart... BUT it doesn't have the same kind of cult following that JCS does. I also don't think the score is as 'big' as JCS score and will drown in a big venue. I saw the JCS arena tour and thought it was all kinds of wrong, and somehow think this will be an even more disappointing fail. Why not just do a big gala at the Palladium and get Donny Osmond, Philip Schofield, HfromSteps (that's his full name right?) etc with Linzi Harley, Maria Friedman and Vivienne Carlyle and other alumni back, and get ALW to play Jacob or something? This show is great when quality is put over quantity, and arena tours are hard to achieve that. I agree. JCS has a rock score, so works in an arena setting (ALW has said that he originally envisioned it being performed in an arena setting). Joseph was originally written to be performed in a school, and certainly doesn't have a rock score. I just can't see it working in arenas, where many audience members will be sitting a long way from the stage! A gala performance in a theatre, with former cast members, would be a far more sensible (and fun) idea to celebrate the 50th anniversary.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 15:14:57 GMT
If they brought back Linzi Hateley for just 1 performance I'd be there in a heartbeat! Though I'm not sure she could belt it out like she used to. She's fantastic on the London Cast Recording.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 15:15:21 GMT
If they brought back Linzi Hateley for just 1 performance I'd be there in a heartbeat! Though I'm not sure she could belt it out like she used to. She's fantastic on the London Cast Recording.
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Post by shady23 on Apr 24, 2017 15:54:24 GMT
Maybe they're banking on a bit of stunt casting for the Pharaoh etc?
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Post by steve10086 on Apr 24, 2017 16:10:22 GMT
Maybe they're banking on a bit of stunt casting for the Pharaoh etc? It'll only sell out arenas if they actually get Elvis to play Pharaoh!
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Post by tommy123 on Apr 24, 2017 17:11:19 GMT
Looking at the list, it's doing 25 shows at the arena!! Surely even big stars would struggle to sell that?
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Post by Seriously on Apr 24, 2017 18:14:30 GMT
So it seats 11,000? If they do 25 shows, that's 275,000 tickets available.
Blimey.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 18:20:13 GMT
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Post by Jon on Apr 24, 2017 18:23:51 GMT
I think Kenwright may be slightly overestimating Joe's appeal if he think he can sell out a huge arena.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 18:25:48 GMT
I think Kenwright may be slightly overestimating Joe's appeal if he think he can sell out a huge arena. I mean... they were smart at least in, of all venues, picking his home town! But I agree, stupid idea. Even if they had all his friends, family and loved ones, it wouldn't even sell half of one night!
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Post by stuart on Apr 24, 2017 19:06:54 GMT
I'm assuming they'll bring the stage forward and only have the back half/third of the arena open, reducing its size to a more manageable 4,000 or so. Still quite a stretch to sell out per performance but maybe manageable over Christmas?
I expect the Metro Radio Arena are trying this out to show it can work and then get a Mamma Mia or We Will Rock You style show in for next Christmas.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 19:11:45 GMT
I'm assuming they'll bring the stage forward and only have the back half/third of the arena open, reducing its size to a more manageable 4,000 or so. Still quite a stretch to sell out per performance but maybe manageable over Christmas? I expect the Metro Radio Arena are trying this out to show it can work and then get a Mamma Mia or We Will Rock You style show in for next Christmas. The trouble is Mamma Mia and We Will Rock You have built in audiences because of the bands they are representing ala Queen and Abba. It will be like a tribute act for some and, having just had a David Bowie tribute act at work (I work in a theatre) sell out 1000 seats and a Little Mix tribute act sell out 1000 seats and having to add a matinee that sold out too, tributes always get people through the door. Not to mention the success of the film Mamma Mia. So I imagine those are bound to do a lot better than this would. Because do the general public really want to see this show anyway to this capacity that would warrant this type of venue? How is the tour selling? Because on the name of Joseph alone, the size of venue is not appropriate at all. Unlike Jesus Christ Superstar, Joseph wasn't exactly revolutionary was it?
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Post by hulmeman on Apr 24, 2017 19:13:19 GMT
It's going into The Metro Radio Arena in Newcastle for Christmas.
Whops sorry, I just noticed this has already been posted!!
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Post by Jon on Apr 24, 2017 19:26:00 GMT
Given how cheap this production is, it's going to be lost in such a huge venue.
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Post by Mark on Apr 24, 2017 19:33:20 GMT
I'm assuming they'll bring the stage forward and only have the back half/third of the arena open, reducing its size to a more manageable 4,000 or so. Still quite a stretch to sell out per performance but maybe manageable over Christmas? I expect the Metro Radio Arena are trying this out to show it can work and then get a Mamma Mia or We Will Rock You style show in for next Christmas. Mamma Mia! already played an incredibly successful Christmas season at the Metro Radio Arena in 2009. And just checked, its been massively reduced in size, even moreso than when Mamma Mia! played
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Post by theatremadness on Apr 24, 2017 19:34:18 GMT
Oh my god I cannot WAIT to see those inflatable sheep in an arena (not that I'll be travelling to Newcastle to see it, mind). They couldn't stay up in Woking a few years ago so who knows what they might get up to in front on an audience of thousands!! Whose idea was this?!?!
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Post by CG on the loose on Apr 24, 2017 19:50:39 GMT
Given how cheap this production is, it's going to be lost in such a huge venue. Maybe they're hoping people won't be able to see how cheap it is when they're sitting so far away...
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Post by LaLuPone on Apr 24, 2017 20:22:07 GMT
I feel really stupid asking this but is Joe doing all 25 Newcastle shows??!! That seems like bloody loads!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 20:26:33 GMT
I feel really stupid asking this but is Joe doing all 25 Newcastle shows??!! That seems like bloody loads! He is indeed. He does it 12 times a week now or something like that, as they do three shows a day sometimes. So this will be a walk in the park!
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