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Post by ukpuppetboy on Nov 14, 2019 4:36:04 GMT
He’s all over every comment just promoting his own tacky channel. The Ambulance Chaser of theatre reviewers. What a nasty piece of work.
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Post by justfran on Nov 14, 2019 8:20:14 GMT
What an unpleasant customer! Some people really do live in their own little bubble.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 14, 2019 8:26:03 GMT
She said in her nasty tweet (whilst calling Ball and Boe w*****s) that she’ll never go to the West End again.
Result!
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Post by ruthieh on Nov 14, 2019 8:41:38 GMT
What an unpleasant customer! Some people really do live in their own little bubble. Astonishingly bad behaviour. No excuse for it...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 9:25:39 GMT
A bit like football banning orders I wish there was something for the theatre.
Vile women.
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Post by shady23 on Nov 14, 2019 16:32:30 GMT
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Post by hubbard on Nov 14, 2019 16:46:17 GMT
I was at the show tonight and can confirm. We were all in our seats waiting for Michael to do his Children in Need speech, she shouted "Where's Alfie" from the dress circle and even flipped the bird at John (everyone booed her), John had to come forward and tell her to never speak in public again... didn't seem to learn her lesson though as I saw her at stage door complaining about Alfie's absence to security at first, then actually attempting to chase Michael down as he was signing other people's programmes all the while shouting "Where's Alfie?!" What an embarrassment! What JOJ ACTUALLY said was 'Mum! Never speak in public again', rescuing a tense situation brilliantly and spontaneously. He got a huge laugh and a round of applause, and then MB carried on with his CiN appeal.
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Post by gaityr on Nov 14, 2019 18:48:38 GMT
What JOJ ACTUALLY said was 'Mum! Never speak in public again', rescuing a tense situation brilliantly and spontaneously. He got a huge laugh and a round of applause, and then MB carried on with his CiN appeal. Oh thank goodness. It sounded so brusque without context! What a gent and a gem JOJ is.
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Post by theatreian on Nov 14, 2019 19:02:57 GMT
I was there last night too and saw the woman complaining in the interval. She was complaining in no uncertain terms shouting and swearing at the poor staff saying how lousy John was. She was vile and totally unnecessary. We saw her at the end shouting and sticking 2 fingers up at Michael Ball. John was really quick and a total star. A great show and the sound was fantastic.
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Post by miz on Nov 14, 2019 19:04:12 GMT
The woman shouldn't have said that, but an important point is missing from the discussion in this thread. It won't please everyone but the presenter makes a very fair point here.
BTW, did he say JOJ is up there with Dean Chisnall? I think he should have said Dean is almost up there with JOJ, but that remark made me want to see Dean in the tour.
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Post by 141920grm on Nov 14, 2019 19:05:53 GMT
does not even think it wrong that its not a Boe concert only Not excusing that guy's rude behaviour responding to Carrie's tweet, but Cammack definitely knew what he was doing when he cast Boe/Ball as principals, even going as far as using this concert production to promote their (completely non Miz-related) joint album on social media. With this kind of PR of course people will book and go in expecting a Boe/Ball concert, not a Les Mis production. Easy to judge them for not appreciating Les Mis on its own, but I think the problem lies in how the show was marketed in the first place
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Post by shady23 on Nov 14, 2019 19:08:32 GMT
I haven't watched the video but members of a cast should never be subjected to that kind of behaviour when they are on stage.
From the sounds of it, the individual was very drunk, they were tweeting Alfie vile things during the show and they continued at stage door afterwards at poor Michael to the extent that security were called.
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Post by danb on Nov 14, 2019 19:16:02 GMT
Needless to say Dawn is no longer allowed on any Delfont Mackintosh property...
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Post by tysilio2 on Nov 14, 2019 19:40:33 GMT
Needless to say Dawn is no longer allowed on any Delfont Mackintosh property... ...but where the hell was Ken?
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Post by danb on Nov 14, 2019 19:58:47 GMT
Needless to say Dawn is no longer allowed on any Delfont Mackintosh property... ...but where the hell was Ken? Ken is spending some time at his brothers holiday flat in Southend.
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Post by justfran on Nov 14, 2019 22:29:10 GMT
I was there last night too and saw the woman complaining in the interval. She was complaining in no uncertain terms shouting and swearing at the poor staff saying how lousy John was. She was vile and totally unnecessary. We saw her at the end shouting and sticking 2 fingers up at Michael Ball. John was really quick and a total star. A great show and the sound was fantastic. If this customer was rude and swearing at staff at the interval it makes me wonder why she wasn’t asked to leave?
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Post by theatreian on Nov 15, 2019 9:00:00 GMT
If this customer was rude and swearing at staff at the interval it makes me wonder why she wasn’t asked to leave? My thoughts exactly. The 2 staff were trying to calm her down and asked her to stop shouting. They were very calm and kept their cool. There is no excuse for behaviour of this sort.
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Post by tysilio2 on Nov 15, 2019 9:08:01 GMT
...but where the hell was Ken? Ken is spending some time at his brothers holiday flat in Southend. I hope for his sake he was. If he was back at Dawn's sisters house 'grouting her tiles' again, there'll be hell to pay!
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Post by danb on Nov 15, 2019 9:17:36 GMT
I doubt he’s up to anything with her Beverley. It’d be more of the same (huge Lionel Ritchie fan!) plus Bev had all her tiles replaced with a marble effect laminate so she wasn’t forever bleaching mould. He’s just looking forward to uninterrupted ‘Homes Under The Hammer’ and a bit of alone time with Babestation and his laptop.
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Post by shady23 on Nov 15, 2019 17:26:51 GMT
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Post by theatreian on Nov 15, 2019 22:25:25 GMT
Having just seen Alfie Boe perform on Children in Need which was recorded on Thursday , 3 times apparently it seems Alfie made a miraculous recovery. It seems after all what Alex Bellfield was saying is correct and that those of us who paid as I did on Wednesday to see Alfie have bee taken for mugs. I have complained to Delfont Mackintosh but I do not expect any meaningful response.Apparently this happens regularly with Alfie missing shows due to him over working himself. This week with Album promotion.I am really disappointed in him. Genuine illness I can understand. This does not seem to be that.
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Post by shady23 on Nov 15, 2019 22:49:58 GMT
I'm sure there's a huge difference between performing one song and doing a 2 and a half hour concert (and isn't Thursday JOJ'S day anyway?)
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Post by cheesy116 on Nov 16, 2019 0:48:22 GMT
At the end of the day (excuse the pun), the show is advertised as they can't guarantee anyone will be performing. I doubt you'll get the response you hope.
Yes, it's frustrating. Alfie wasn't on when I booked one of his scheduled performances, but everyone else in that cast, including John, more than makes up for it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 9:02:36 GMT
But I think the issue is, people find it a bit of a cheek that the show pushes the Boe/Ball combo (part of the reason they can charge for - and sell - the tickets at such high prices) and then the Boe part frequently doesn’t show up. Particularly galling as some have paid additional large sums for travel/accommodation. Sometimes this is people’s second or third attempt to see him on stage and he’s been off each time. That speaks volumes about vocal fitness, stamina and/or commitment.
People understand performers get ill. They understand they might have to see an understudy. But they probably don’t expect to watch the performer who’s missing so many shows gaily hitting the media publicity trail repeatedly for their new album. Or going on a cruise tour, then apparently taking time to recover before singing at a one-off concert at the Albert Hall. Or taking time off and then being fine for a CiN performance that is, like it or not, free advertising for the album and tour combination. All of this may absolutely be unfortunate coincidence. But unfortunately it’s starting to look like a pattern.
This is a two-way thing. Audiences need to understand people get genuinely ill. And performers need to understand they only take time off if they’re genuinely ill.
The power in this, of course, is in the audience’s hands. They can just stop buying tickets. But since so many of Boe’s fans seem utterly deluded about a man they seem to view as their naughty but ultimately lovable little boy, his position is probably fairly secure.
The show’s producers also have to take some blame. I don’t dislike Boe. He has a fantastic voice. But if he can’t sing the shows he’s contracted for, he shouldn’t be hired for the job.
If at the moment Boe’s genuinely struggling with an on-again off-again voice issue, I’m sure audiences would be equally genuinely sympathetic. He may be better advised to step back from that challenging role entirely and rest, as some singers have to at various points in their careers.
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Post by shady23 on Nov 16, 2019 10:09:31 GMT
It is a shame.
I'm not an Alfie Boe fan particularly but if I had booked especially to see him I would be upset.
I have lots of favourite performers from leads to ensemble to swings and if I go and see a snow they are in and they are not on I am disappointed. That's not to say the understudies/alternatives are not fantastic because they are but it's natural to be disappointed. I'd never dream of sending tweets telling the performer how angry I am, berating staff members in the lobby or demanding refunds because that is ridiculous. It's live theatre. It happens, but this whole narrative going around berating Alfie fans for being upset he isn't on is pretty ridiculous!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 16, 2019 10:41:44 GMT
What was his attendance like when he was in the WE run of les mis?
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Post by matilda1 on Nov 16, 2019 10:49:47 GMT
I firmly believe that the person in question should have been escorted away from the theatre before the trouble started. It sounds as if there were enough warning signs! Alfie Boe does unfortunately have a history of taking time off. I remember comments being made about this back when he first played JVJ at the Queen's. His profile is higher now, and therefore more demands are made on his time. Unfortunately, making money seems to come before pleasing audiences and this goes for Cameron Mackintosh too. I like him and John Owen Jones, but it is a pity that AB is off so often especially with the high price of tickets. Incidentally, I think JOJ handles this situation very well. It must be difficult for him , but at the same time he is benefiting from the situation too. I do wonder what his real thoughts are though.
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Post by xanady on Nov 16, 2019 12:13:11 GMT
Not sure why people who want to specifically see Alfie don’t just stick to concert tours as if he doesn’t appear then a full refund would be a given! Am a big fan of JOJ and worry if this whole furore about AB is really distressing him.
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Post by ceebee on Nov 16, 2019 13:01:25 GMT
Not sure why people who want to specifically see Alfie don’t just stick to concert tours as if he doesn’t appear then a full refund would be a given! Am a big fan of JOJ and worry if this whole furore about AB is really distressing him. I reckon JOJ is the consummate pro and probably happy to be playing the role that he made his own (incredible considering Colm Wilkinson created the role). Alfie Boe leaves me cold - I feel he's vocally caught between opera and musical theatre, and simply doing what many would do and following the money. I'm not a fan of him and Uncle Michael together but, seemingly, many people are.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 14:08:50 GMT
JOJ is a total pro - sure he'll be fine - he's working at the top of his game and in relative MT terms probably being paid well. The vast majority of people that see him love him.
Re the shouting out woman - I mean clearly a complete mess and absolutely awful behaviour. I mean honestly! I'd just evict drunk people from theatres but I guess for the FOH staff it isn't that simple.
But seriously - 120+ cast, orchestra, crew who witnessed it. Who is the first to be shocked and appalled on Twitter? You guessed it, CHF! She really is sanctimonious. Then the floods of replies - oh how awful, oh how do you cope, oh we're so sorry for you, oh you're a saint, blah blah blah blah. A part of me swears she loves these moments! It's a shame as she is so talented and a great performer. But SO annoying on social media. I mean compared to how professionally JOJ handled it by turning it into a joke - love the guy, total pro. (Yeah yeah I know, the solution is for me not to be on social media!).
And re that guy's video re Alfie - I mainly agree. Musical theatre is demanding and JVJ is one of the most demanding roles of all. You MUST look after yourself and your voice. And yeah, a cruise where everyone's germs come together - you're bound to catch something. And he's doing way too much. Cam Mac marketed it as the Ball&Boe show, then charged full whack, so I get why people are angry. And I do think you have to question Alfie's professionalism.
Anyway hey ho. It's a fab production whoever is on stage and I look fwd to seeing it live once more and then at my local cinema in Brighton :-)
I am also excited now about the new tour cast and seeing how it fits back into the Queen's!
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