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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 23:53:20 GMT
The Internet can be hysterical at times. I don't think she was joking either... And I'm sure Alfie is sad enough to let people down, never mind the barrage of abuse he gets online from people who think performers just call out of shows casually on a whim. So rude. I’m sure he doesn’t take any joy in it, but the fact is earlier this week he was on a 4-day cruise singing, then booked for a show at RAH with Danielle de Niese on Sunday. I imagine that’s why he’s resting his voice Saturday night. He has a tendency to over-commit and it seems to be due to chasing more lucrative work. There’s no excuse for rudeness towards performers, but when people have spent their own hard-earned cash to see a ‘star’, they’re entitled to feel a bit grumpy if they’ve been jettisoned in favour of another paying audience. It’s not quite the same as illness.
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Post by danb on Oct 20, 2019 5:55:41 GMT
I thought that these were all advertised non-Alfie days?
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Post by shady23 on Oct 20, 2019 8:54:29 GMT
Yesterday wasn't, JOJ got a last minute call to go in the evening. Alfie did the matinee.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 20, 2019 11:49:26 GMT
😄😄😄
we wouldn’t want nan 2 B fumin 2 eh bbs?
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Post by 141920grm on Oct 20, 2019 11:54:31 GMT
we wouldn’t want nan 2 B fumin 2 eh bbs? BoeBall or NUTHIN'!
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Post by miz on Oct 20, 2019 12:34:16 GMT
I am not an expert on the singing profession, but I guess that singing on a cruise ship as a mega star is easier and a lot more lucrative than singing a lead role in an opera with the ENO, let alone singing a small role with the Royal Opera. I am not against an artist earning a lot of money (with the exception of K Jenkins, but that's another story).
However, if you a freelancer like myself (and I believe concert artists can be considered freelancers too) it's not professional to schedule yourself in a way you can't be sure of delivering, physically and time-wise. So, agreeing to appear in a Sunday concert, if that's the reason for the last minute cancellaion, fully knowing he has two shows to perform on Saturday could possibly come across as an exapmple of unprofessional decision making.
Money is important for everyone, but not at the cost of professional integrity.
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Post by 141920grm on Oct 20, 2019 13:01:24 GMT
Alfie has been "unable to perform" so many times this run (and always conveniently around his other appearances/announcements) it's starting to look a little suspect, and a tad disrespectful to audiences who booked especially to see him. And not a single word on social media acknowledging it or expressing his regret! Always John announcing it. Though I am very happy for John getting to do more shows (not at the expense of his health of course!) as he deserves this.
Has anyone kept a tally of how many shows each has done?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 20, 2019 13:51:59 GMT
AB is probably wise not to get into it all on social media though. Announcing you’re not going to be on when you’re scheduled to perform is inviting a backlash unless refunds are to be offered. And responding to the absence-shaming posts is a hiding to nothing too, This is one of the things I hate about twitter. The expectation that everyone is answerable to everyone about everything. I totally understand why the few people who aren’t on it choose that.
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Post by peggysue on Oct 20, 2019 14:12:45 GMT
JOJ has done 36 shows. Not sure about AB 🤔
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Post by longinthetooth on Oct 20, 2019 14:52:06 GMT
I have to say it niggles me that JOJ is at pains to mention how many shows he has done. Each time, he announces "show #36" or whatever. Not necessary.
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Post by shady23 on Oct 20, 2019 15:22:54 GMT
I can't see how it is a problem, it would be if every one was a cover show but they aren't. Lots have been his planed shows.
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Post by 141920grm on Oct 20, 2019 15:32:56 GMT
I'm not condoning the absence-shaming on social media at all- there must be valid reasons for Alfie to miss those shows- but I'd be more ready to forgive him IF he wasn't tweeting about his Boe/Ball album every other day! If you can peddle your album surely you can notify the fans you're letting down. No grovelling apology needed or expected.
I quite enjoy JOJ's updates, if he's having a blast and wants to share that excitement with his followers, why shouldn't he? It's social media after all, not the White House Press Office.
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Post by longinthetooth on Oct 20, 2019 15:37:56 GMT
I've no problem with him saying he's on for Alfie, it's quoting the number of shows that gets me. To me it comes across as having a dig.
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Post by miz on Oct 20, 2019 15:49:07 GMT
I've no problem with him saying he's on for Alfie, it's quoting the number of shows that gets me. To me it comes across as having a dig. WHY?
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Post by shady23 on Oct 20, 2019 15:52:28 GMT
The album/tour tweets are done by the management team, Michael Ball's are the same.
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Post by fiyero on Oct 20, 2019 16:04:41 GMT
I am going in 2 weeks to see John Owen Jones and will be happy whoever is on, it is the show I want to see. I am going 2 weeks later with a friend who only wants to go because Alfie is in it. She wants to see Alfie. We have bought those tickets to see Alfie.
I'll still be happy whoever is on but I know she (at least initially) will not be. I get why people would be upset. Especially if he is missing shows due to other work (other than pre-announced missed shows)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 16:19:59 GMT
I must admit, I did wonder yesterday if JOJ might get into trouble over the running tally. It doesn’t bother me in the slightest, but it does rather show up the star’s absences (someone on Twitter said yesterday John had basically done half of the shows so far; I have no idea of the maths on that though). I imagine the likes of CamMack might not be too happy about it, even if Alfie doesn’t care.
As for the relentless social media push on the Boe & Ball show, yes, of course the messages are being pushed out by the company rather than the guys themselves. But for a PR firm they show an astonishing disregard for ‘other things that are happening in the background that might affect this promotion’ - namely, that increasing numbers of their would-be audience are turning into teed-off people who’ve forked out for the star (often plus travel and hotel tickets) in Les Mis but haven’t seen him, for reasons that sometimes unfortunately look a bit suspicious. And that starts to look a bit arrogant. After a while, it may also start to hit sales.
Mind you, the social media messages are generally greeted by silly, sycophantic responses - so whadda I know?!
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Post by 141920grm on Oct 20, 2019 18:51:23 GMT
I've no problem with him saying he's on for Alfie, it's quoting the number of shows that gets me. To me it comes across as having a dig. ...he's been keeping count since show #1! How can one's personal journalling offend anyone? 😂 But yeah... Alfie should have a word with his PR person/Twitterbot, his socials are not reflecting well on him
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Post by whoknows on Oct 20, 2019 20:35:11 GMT
The 1st concert was on 10th August, so up until last Friday it's been on for 10 weeks. If John Owen-Jones was scheduled to do 3 shows a week, then he should have been on as JVJ 30 times, but at that point had done 35. I'm not sure this is 100% correct, but don't think it's far wrong... I've been lucky enough to see the concert twice & saw Alfie both times, though I wouldn't have minded seeing JOJ had he been unable to perform, as I've seen him in concert & think he's great too.
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Post by daisy24601 on Oct 20, 2019 22:08:00 GMT
JOJ started the count from the beginning, long before any absences, and has kept it going, it is in no way a dig.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 23:29:57 GMT
JOJ started the count from the beginning, long before any absences, and has kept it going, it is in no way a dig. Absolutely. I would imagine it’s more to do with being the person who’s played the role (and Phantom?) in the West End more than anyone else. Carrie recently posted she’d passed her 1000th performance in the show.
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Post by nefertari on Oct 21, 2019 14:38:54 GMT
JOJ started the count from the beginning, long before any absences, and has kept it going, it is in no way a dig. Yes I’ve seen him counting all this way and I’m feeling his passion for this role. He’s so devoted to this.
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Post by shady23 on Oct 21, 2019 21:31:42 GMT
Re standing tickets. How do you get these? Can you buy in advance or just on the day? If on the day online or in person? Also, how much are they? Thanks for any help.
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Post by miz on Oct 22, 2019 10:07:49 GMT
I have booked standing spots online before. They cost less than 20 pounds each. But I was told they are available only for sold-out shows.
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Post by Dr Tom on Oct 22, 2019 10:24:02 GMT
I have booked standing spots online before. They cost less than 20 pounds each. But I was told they are available only for sold-out shows. Earlier in the run, they were releasing them online a few days in advance. I think we decided it was about half in advance and half on the day. Don't know if that's still the case.
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Post by shady23 on Oct 22, 2019 15:51:31 GMT
I'm looking for November and the only ones available are a limited view for £97.
For that price you should be able to see everything.
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Post by 141920grm on Oct 22, 2019 20:17:44 GMT
Not 100% certain but I think they come up a week or 2 before the actual show (only for sold-out performances like miz said), that's how I got my tickets for a show early Oct. Try checking the website again closer to the date? I think standing tix are a great deal, it gives you a front-on view of the stage (and no heads blocking!!) so you don't have to look at the line-up of actors from an angle; the downside of course, is that you can't see the orchestra or projections, or actors sitting near the top of the set. But that's a small price to pay... literally.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 26, 2019 16:26:41 GMT
Dawn and her Nan will be fumin’ bbs.
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