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Post by dontdreamit on Jan 5, 2020 18:52:50 GMT
To add to the mess, Jennifer is still on for Cleves from the tour and Maiya has returned again to play Parr. Vicki also seems to be back in the building as emergency standby, so Cherelle must be off too. If this continues it wouldn't surprise me if they get Courtney Stapleton in from down the road where she's a standby for DEH- or is there rules against them performing in different shows? I’m sure I saw somewhere on Twitter that it nearly happened!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 19:13:21 GMT
They can’t go on like this. It’s so unfair on their cast. As someone mentioned upthread, DEH has 2 covers for each role. Six is a similar scale show so I think they can afford to do the same.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 5, 2020 19:36:23 GMT
They can’t go on like this. It’s so unfair on their cast. As someone mentioned upthread, DEH has 2 covers for each role. Six is a similar scale show so I think they can afford to do the same. It's not like they can just throw someone on stage to do one or two song like most other shows, they are all onstage the full 70 minutes and the whole show is choreographed. Surely they need at least 6 weeks rehearsal? No doubt they are training people up. They also need to get it out of that theatre into somewhere bigger with proper dressing rooms etc for the girls. It is pretty much the only long running show in London that is sold out weeks/a month in advance. They are literally throwing money down the toilet keeping it there.
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Post by dontdreamit on Jan 5, 2020 19:45:27 GMT
It hasn’t helped with this month long gap of having no Howard and then Lexi being off injured I think for the last few weeks? Having had a quick look on Instagram tonight, it seems like Vicki is there on standby too!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 20:02:12 GMT
They also need to get it out of that theatre into somewhere bigger with proper dressing rooms etc for the girls. This I agree with. The tour venues must seem like palaces.
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Post by wicked on Jan 5, 2020 20:39:09 GMT
Does anyone know if the leads scheduled shows off are mandatory/written into their contracts? I've seen a couple occasions where they've got someone in (e.g. Maiya) and had a lead backstage on their show off. To me it would make more sense to just give them another show off in lieu if they really have to which made me wonder whether they have no choice but to give them that scheduled show off.
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Post by sophizoey on Jan 5, 2020 20:41:47 GMT
Does anyone know if the leads scheduled shows off are mandatory/written into their contracts? I've seen a couple occasions where they've got someone in (e.g. Maiya) and had a lead backstage on their show off. To me it would make more sense to just give them another show off in lieu if they really have to which made me wonder whether they have no choice but to give them that scheduled show off. The show has a constant 9 show week, which means the weekly show off is written into their contract. There have been instances where girls do the show and take an extra show off later but that is at the discretion of each actress and their wellbeing at the time of their scheduled show off. Many of the girls feel like they need it due to the high energy nature.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 20:42:29 GMT
There was a situation last year where Millie had to do 35 shows in a row due to poor alternate provision. They're trying to avoid doing this as they go on with their new cast.
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Post by gmoneyoutlaw on Jan 5, 2020 20:42:45 GMT
They also need to get it out of that theatre into somewhere bigger with proper dressing rooms etc for the girls. This I agree with. The tour venues must seem like palaces. I saw Six over the holiday break and it was Vicki's "last night" and there were covers on stage. They unfortunately don't share the same costumes as the person they cover and they are tattered. I have video at the end if you say it's not true or need receipts. That's a sad situation, being an understudy or alternate and your costume is not maintained. I agree they need to move the show to a larger theatre. Maybe they are waiting until the Broadway production bows at an 1,100 seat theatre to test the waters. Is there a larger theatre available in London that doesn't have strings attached. Duke Of York?
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 5, 2020 21:10:19 GMT
This I agree with. The tour venues must seem like palaces. I saw Six over the holiday break and it was Vicki's "last night" and there were covers on stage. They unfortunately don't share the same costumes as the person they cover and they are tattered. I have video at the end if you say it's not true or need receipts. That's a sad situation, being an understudy or alternate and your costume is not maintained. I agree they need to move the show to a larger theatre. Maybe they are waiting until the Broadway production bows at an 1,100 seat theatre to test the waters. Is there a larger theatre available in London that doesn't have strings attached. Duke Of York? I agree re the costumes. You have one of the most successful shows in London, why do your understudies not have proper costumes? Why are the audience not getting the full show if the understudies are on especially when they are on at pretty much every performance? Fair enough when it was 'the little show that could', but it is now an International franchise, it is absurd and shoddy. I think the producers should be paying a little more attention to their cash cow. It is very telling that half the cast and all the understudies have left after their first year contracts are up. I have seen the show 7 times and seen the full cast once.
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Post by Seriously on Jan 5, 2020 21:18:41 GMT
Unfortunately this is what you get when you have a young inexperienced creative team. A great idea, but they really need guidance.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 5, 2020 21:25:47 GMT
Unfortunately this is what you get when you have a young inexperienced creative team. A great idea, but they really need guidance. The producers are very experienced though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 21:29:51 GMT
Why are the audience not getting the full show if the understudies are on especially when they are on at pretty much every performance?
In what way is it not the full show when the alternates are on?
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 5, 2020 21:32:03 GMT
Why are the audience not getting the full show if the understudies are on especially when they are on at pretty much every performance?
In what way is it not the full show when the alternates are on?
Because they aren't wearing proper costumes for their characters.
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Post by fairydust on Jan 5, 2020 21:42:00 GMT
In what way is it not the full show when the alternates are on?
Because they aren't wearing proper costumes for their characters. But they’d have to have 24 extra costumes (six for each cover as they all cover all the roles)
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 5, 2020 22:01:18 GMT
Because they aren't wearing proper costumes for their characters. But they’d have to have 24 extra costumes (six for each cover as they all cover all the roles) Sorry but is this not a West End show that sells out every performance and is opening on Broadway next month?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 22:12:47 GMT
This tweet thread sums up all the times circumstances like this have happened.
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Post by wicked on Jan 5, 2020 22:43:12 GMT
I actually don't have a problem with them having different costumes to the lead, in fact I love it. It makes each swing a proper member of the cast with their own take on the character they're playing, rather than just filling in for someone. Especially with ones like Collette's which are adapted slightly to still fit their personalities.
Plus, the Arts is tiny and there's no way (..) they could fit 30 full bulky costumes all ready to be worn each show.
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Post by Seriously on Jan 5, 2020 23:05:08 GMT
Unfortunately this is what you get when you have a young inexperienced creative team. A great idea, but they really need guidance. The producers are very experienced though. At cutting costs, yes.
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Post by sophizoey on Jan 6, 2020 11:21:27 GMT
Six appears to have found a "solution" to their problems. Jen Caldwell who is alternate Boleyn/Howard on the tour and has been covering Cleves in London for the weekend appears to be staying in London as a swing until February. While on the UK Tour, Alicia Corrales-Connor who was Katherine Howard on NCL Bliss will be 1st Cover Howard on the tour until Jen returns. This is backed up by Alicia's spotlight profile.
This shouldn't cause problems for the ship because they only do 4 shows per cruise and some cruises are 3 weeks long. They're also nearing the end of their contract.
A creative solution I must say but with so many main cast members out in London, a 5th swing is probably a better option. There is no Howard, Alexia has a severe knee injury, Danielle has a sinus infection, Natalie is now indisposed and Cherelle Jay is feeling overworked as an alternate and is now taking some time off.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 6, 2020 12:04:00 GMT
Six appears to have found a "solution" to their problems. Jen Caldwell who is alternate Boleyn/Howard on the tour and has been covering Cleves in London for the weekend appears to be staying in London as a swing until February. While on the UK Tour, Alicia Corrales-Connor who was Katherine Howard on NCL Bliss will be 1st Cover Howard on the tour until Jen returns. This is backed up by Alicia's spotlight profile. This shouldn't cause problems for the ship because they only do 4 shows per cruise and some cruises are 3 weeks long. They're also nearing the end of their contract. A creative solution I must say but with so many main cast members out in London, a 5th swing is probably a better option. There is no Howard, Alexia has a severe knee injury, Danielle has a sinus infection, Natalie is now indisposed and Cherelle Jay is feeling overworked as an alternate and is now taking some time off. What's wrong with Natalie?
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 6, 2020 12:09:41 GMT
I actually don't have a problem with them having different costumes to the lead, in fact I love it. It makes each swing a proper member of the cast with their own take on the character they're playing, rather than just filling in for someone. Especially with ones like Collette's which are adapted slightly to still fit their personalities. Plus, the Arts is tiny and there's no way (..) they could fit 30 full bulky costumes all ready to be worn each show. It's alright if it's just one of them, but the problem is sometimes you have 3 (or even 4) alternatives on and the show looks cheap because half the cast are wearing little more than a black leotard, some tights and a skirt/vest with a few studs on it...
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Post by dontdreamit on Jan 6, 2020 12:30:47 GMT
I actually don't have a problem with them having different costumes to the lead, in fact I love it. It makes each swing a proper member of the cast with their own take on the character they're playing, rather than just filling in for someone. Especially with ones like Collette's which are adapted slightly to still fit their personalities. Plus, the Arts is tiny and there's no way (..) they could fit 30 full bulky costumes all ready to be worn each show. It's alright if it's just one of them, but the problem is sometimes you have 3 (or even 4) alternatives on and the show looks cheap because half the cast are wearing little more than a black leotard, some tights and a skirt/vest with a few studs on it... That’s only been the times before the costumes have been ready, as far as I can see (or like when one of the times when Genesis Lynea returned to cover). I can see why they did the 9 shows per week schedule, but I wonder if they dropped down to 8 a week it would be more sustainable? How many do they do on the tour? Did they have extra shows as well over the Christmas break?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 12:37:05 GMT
The tour is usually an 8 show week which works much better, it’s only in Manchester they’ve been having problems as there’s been some 9 show weeks there and they were all in one dressing room which meant illnesses spread faster.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 6, 2020 12:44:37 GMT
It's alright if it's just one of them, but the problem is sometimes you have 3 (or even 4) alternatives on and the show looks cheap because half the cast are wearing little more than a black leotard, some tights and a skirt/vest with a few studs on it... That’s only been the times before the costumes have been ready, as far as I can see (or like when one of the times when Genesis Lynea returned to cover). I can see why they did the 9 shows per week schedule, but I wonder if they dropped down to 8 a week it would be more sustainable? How many do they do on the tour? Did they have extra shows as well over the Christmas break? It was just after the Genesis return incident that I went and there was 4 alternates on. They seem to only do the extra shows over holiday periods and then drop back.
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Post by sophizoey on Jan 6, 2020 12:44:52 GMT
Six appears to have found a "solution" to their problems. Jen Caldwell who is alternate Boleyn/Howard on the tour and has been covering Cleves in London for the weekend appears to be staying in London as a swing until February. While on the UK Tour, Alicia Corrales-Connor who was Katherine Howard on NCL Bliss will be 1st Cover Howard on the tour until Jen returns. This is backed up by Alicia's spotlight profile. This shouldn't cause problems for the ship because they only do 4 shows per cruise and some cruises are 3 weeks long. They're also nearing the end of their contract. A creative solution I must say but with so many main cast members out in London, a 5th swing is probably a better option. There is no Howard, Alexia has a severe knee injury, Danielle has a sinus infection, Natalie is now indisposed and Cherelle Jay is feeling overworked as an alternate and is now taking some time off. What's wrong with Natalie? She's just not well, they've had to cancel a concert she's appearing in tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 12:54:40 GMT
I really like the alternates having their own costumes too, I think it makes them individuals. And I really like the actual costumes- Collette's black and white one is a bit dull, but I really love Zara's pinky lilac one, the teal shorts one is really zingy, and the orange trousers with the pelmet thing is fab!
As said above, the only time it's been the plain leotard thing that the band wear, with a few added bits, has been when emergency covers were on.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 6, 2020 12:59:41 GMT
Most audience members don't know they are watching 'alternates' though. Yes fans of the show do, but the general public have no idea who the main cast are, they are just going along to see the show.
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Post by wicked on Jan 6, 2020 19:18:05 GMT
This whole alternate/illness situation makes me feel ill and I don't even work on the show! Bet they can't wait for Sophie to start, bet she ends up debuting earlier than expected.
I hope they're appreciating Jen, Hana and Zara over there cos they are seriously holding the show together right now.
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Post by deej4life on Jan 7, 2020 2:14:17 GMT
I have seen a few comments regarding the cast being unhappy in the show and leaving after only one contract. Can anyone expand on this?
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