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Post by Xanderl on Nov 14, 2019 9:22:20 GMT
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Post by crowblack on Nov 21, 2019 16:50:42 GMT
Labour manifesto promising to uphold women's sex-based rights, which is rather vague but being interpreted online as including the provision of safe spaces like single sex toilets, changing rooms and hospital wards.
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Post by crowblack on Dec 4, 2019 13:02:28 GMT
First time at the Young Vic in a while, and in the upstairs 'cubicles only' toilet at a fairly quiet time (half an hour before the show, not the interval rush) there were two men (straight-looking) in there but no women, and they haven't made any structural alterations to the cubicles - they still have gaps above and below on the doors AND the sides between cubicles. A friend said "are we going to have to start going in in pairs?"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 15:57:56 GMT
I wonder who is the "Best Leave it a few minutes" person on I'm A Celeb.
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Post by lynette on Dec 4, 2019 19:07:10 GMT
First time at the Young Vic in a while, and in the upstairs 'cubicles only' toilet at a fairly quiet time (half an hour before the show, not the interval rush) there were two men (straight-looking) in there but no women, and they haven't made any structural alterations to the cubicles - they still have gaps above and below on the doors AND the sides between cubicles. A friend said "are we going to have to start going in in pairs?" Uuuughhhhgggg
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Post by The Matthew on Dec 4, 2019 20:20:43 GMT
they still have gaps above and below on the doors AND the sides between cubicles It baffles me that they do this. I can understand the need for small gaps — in a humid and potentially dirty environment you want to keep the number of corners to a minimum — but there's no need for the gaps to be any larger than is necessary to take the edge of a mop. Given that people do look over the top (it's happened to me) and do steal things by reaching under doors, why would you ever design a toilet that didn't take account of that? (More generally, I'm amazed how often I see things that seem to be designed on the basis that everyone will do exactly as they're supposed to and nobody will ever do the wrong thing either accidentally or deliberately.)
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Post by lynette on Dec 5, 2019 17:36:31 GMT
they still have gaps above and below on the doors AND the sides between cubicles It baffles me that they do this. I can understand the need for small gaps — in a humid and potentially dirty environment you want to keep the number of corners to a minimum — but there's no need for the gaps to be any larger than is necessary to take the edge of a mop. Given that people do look over the top (it's happened to me) and do steal things by reaching under doors, why would you ever design a toilet that didn't take account of that? (More generally, I'm amazed how often I see things that seem to be designed on the basis that everyone will do exactly as they're supposed to and nobody will ever do the wrong thing either accidentally or deliberately.) V annoying when there isn't a hook to hang your bag on. If there is a gap beneath the door you have to keep the bag away from the edge. And who wants to put her new Michael Kors on a toilet floor? On the other hand I do feel somewhat claustrophobic when the cubicle is totally enclosed. Maybe a redesign of toilet doors needed so that if a person is ill, then the door can be removed without too much difficulty. And make the locks foolproof so they don't stick.
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Post by crowblack on Dec 5, 2019 18:35:17 GMT
I think another reason for the larger gap is to allow them to get under it to open the door / drag a body out if someone is trapped. I think partly for air circulation and mops and to check no-one's dead (our local supermarket has blue light to make it harder to shoot up in them), but possibly also to check people weren't up to stuff in the prosecution-for-cottaging era.
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Post by peggs on Dec 5, 2019 20:45:58 GMT
I always used to prefer toilets with a bit of a gap so that I could imagine that if I got stuck I would be able to climb out (though pretty sure paper dispenser would support my weight for long!). Today I found myself assessing a cubicle for any gaps that untoward things could happen through.
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Post by foxa on Dec 8, 2019 22:27:35 GMT
Still long queues of women at the Old Vic. I'm sure they tried to address the issue, but it looked about as congested as ever. There was a long queue for the cubicles only loos and a shorter one for the specifically gender neutral loo and no queue for the urinals plus cubicles one. Perhaps the listed building status just made it impossible to really fix the problem.
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Post by lynette on Dec 8, 2019 22:57:00 GMT
So punters have decided that the loo which is cubicles but with urinals is in fact the men’s. How amusingly predictable.
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Post by edi on Dec 9, 2019 8:23:20 GMT
So punters have decided that the loo which is cubicles but with urinals is in fact the men’s. How amusingly predictable. And the cubicles only was used by men too last week. It made my toilet visit a very stressful one, me constantly checking the gaps above and below whilst trying to do my business. A man next to my cubicle was moaning so loud - never experienced it with ladies
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Post by The Matthew on Dec 9, 2019 8:38:25 GMT
So punters have decided that the loo which is cubicles but with urinals is in fact the men’s. How amusingly predictable. It reminds me of the issue with town planning and desire lines, where someone lays out artistically-designed footpaths and lawns and within days the lawns have worn-away paths from people taking the straight route rather than the artistic one. Give people a choice and they will go where they want to go, not where the plan says they ought to want to go.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jan 11, 2020 22:59:02 GMT
Just leaving this here, as a very rare exception to the rule!
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Post by lynette on Jan 13, 2020 20:45:16 GMT
Wow, amazing! Where are the gals? At the bar?
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Post by Dawnstar on Jan 13, 2020 21:33:56 GMT
I didn't go into the bar so can't comment on that. Maybe everyone was queuing for the loos nearest the stalls, whereas I went out to the ones on the landing between the stalls & dress circle levels. The Coliseum is in general one of the better WE theatres for loos but that's the first time I've been the only person in there, as far as I can recall, and the theatre was almost full so it wasn't due to a lack of audience.
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Post by d'James on Aug 24, 2021 0:42:37 GMT
Just gonna resurrect my own thread, because I’m that guy ;-)
I’m talking pre-pandemic now, but do rules about providing toilets apply for theatre bars, like restaurants? Do they have to provide a toilet within whatever radius, if they sell you a drink/snack?
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Post by cavocado on Aug 24, 2021 18:56:58 GMT
Yes, anywhere with a drinks licence has to provide toilets in the building (not necessarily close to the bar).
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Post by Phantom of London on Aug 24, 2021 21:08:40 GMT
So out of interest does a restaurant have to have a toilet? If it doesn't serve alcohol?
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Post by cavocado on Aug 25, 2021 11:32:42 GMT
Yes, except for takeaways with 10 or fewer seats, or restaurants inside public buildings that have toilets available the whole time the restaurant is open, like shopping centres.
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Post by d'James on Aug 25, 2021 19:47:03 GMT
Yes, anywhere with a drinks licence has to provide toilets in the building (not necessarily close to the bar). Interesting, thanks. Is there a time limit? For example if they served you a drink in the interval would they be obliged to provide the toilet after Act Two.
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Post by cavocado on Aug 26, 2021 10:59:06 GMT
Not sure. I'd guess the theatre would have to keep a toilet open as long as the building is open, but I don't think there's any law to say they can't expect you to wander half way around the building to find a loo - same with pubs and restaurants e.g. Pizza Express always seem to put their toilets up two flights of stairs and along a couple of corridors.
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Post by lynette on Aug 26, 2021 12:45:50 GMT
In my experience the loos for ladies at the NT ( and it may have changed cos of all gender etc, dunno) were terrible. Crowded and cramped with queues as long as any in the west end. Covid central frankly. You know, I have moaned about loos for ever and pointed out simple ways to improve. One way would in fact be to open both loo sections to everyone regardless of gender blah blah and perhaps, employ an attendant or two. ROH was usually fast and queue reasonable despite having not much more room than the NT. It all goes back to the original design of the NT which is deplorable. They did not allow for actual punters who need to eat and wee and sit down outside the actual auditorium. They built a vanity theatre for the guys who they thought dominated the profession, a huge Roman amphitheatre that dated as soon as it was built. They did not factor in loos sufficiently and as we have seen they have had to submit the building to regular additions and messing about. The NT has had brilliant productions in its time despite the building not because of it. I’ll go away now…you have heard it all before. But I am right..
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Post by The Matthew on Sept 19, 2021 11:17:13 GMT
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Post by Kim_Bahorel on Sept 24, 2021 23:01:58 GMT
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Post by interval99 on Oct 13, 2021 12:46:00 GMT
With the great lockdown giving some theatres a chance for building work or a revamp and many are stated they did as they reopen. Anyone know of any theatre which actually thought it may be time to do the work and actually make theatres conveniences convenience for the public. On my short visit to the west end it seems things have got worst with longer queues and even more cramped areas. Even more so in the LW theatres lynne and aldephi where you have to walk pass extended bar areas to get to your seat . (Think you could develop a drink problem in the LW theatres now the way drink is pushed as a must have to take to your seat) So bit much to read LW front piece about refurbishment when he seems to forgotten basic customer needs. I know bathroom s are not the easiest thing to build in and space is limited but it would be nice for people to go to theatre and not spend all the interval in a queue.
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Post by alece10 on Oct 13, 2021 15:00:40 GMT
The ones at Drury Lane are lovely and lots more than there used to be.
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Post by lynette on Oct 13, 2021 16:49:21 GMT
I notice that the Donmar has done some refurb. Did this include the toilets? Incidentally they are calling themselves Donmar Warehouse now. Used to be this but then they seemed to drop the warehouse.
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Post by hairspray57 on Nov 16, 2021 21:27:39 GMT
Once you escape the crowds, it is very plush. Mixed gender toilets. The upper circle seats have entrance to rows at alternate sides, so you may find a booked aisle seat isn’t actually on the aisle at all! There is a cast board but I couldn’t take a photo as there’s a sticker over my cameras (well, only the rear ones). We got given a drinks token, but it remains unused as there was no way I was joining the scrum! The lower levels have waitering staff. Excited for this one anyway. And this may be the best Upper Circle view I’ve ever had at a theatre. The Mixed gender toilets are going to generate a fair bit of debate being how much some people have talked about that issue in recent months.
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Post by Being Alive on Nov 16, 2021 21:35:29 GMT
There was a woman at the interval last night when the queues were mad, and she was shouting at people 'men on the right, women on the left' because a few old people were like...where do I go?
So it's going to cause some upset!
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