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Post by loureviews on Jul 7, 2017 6:29:03 GMT
The Solid Gold Rock and Roll Show is Marty Wilde and friends. Not an imitation show but hard-working artists who first came to fame in the late 50s.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Jul 7, 2017 8:44:00 GMT
Damien Hirst, in response to the question "but is it really art?" replied "if it's in an art gallery it's art". I didn't agree with that and I don't agree that just because something is performed in a theatre, it's theatre. Hirst is just echoing Duchamp who proved it over a hundred years ago with his 'readymades'. Individuals may baulk at the statement but go into any gallery and you see people doing exactly that. If they go to a gallery they look at objects the way that you would in a gallery. As for theatre, the same applies, it is given the weight and expectation of a piece of theatre by being presented in a theatre (I'd even say the same of talks, which, more and more are blurring the difference, with performance lectures and so on). If a knock off gig is put in a theatre, then, what it actually is, is rubbish theatre (the West End often gets the more upmarket versions, often the Beatles, which are generally more effective). Do they have a place there? Well, in a perfect world, our theatres would be packed night after night but they aren't. The sad truth is that, if that type of venue didn't put on shows like this then they would just be dark.
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Post by hulmeman on Jul 7, 2017 9:35:08 GMT
Oh good Christ, is there to be no end to this?
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Post by hulmeman on Jul 7, 2017 9:38:20 GMT
I am going to develop a "BurlyBeaR" tribute show.
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Post by anita on Jul 7, 2017 9:39:17 GMT
You would have to pay me a considerable sum of money to get me to sit through this!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 7, 2017 9:57:45 GMT
The Solid Gold Rock and Roll Show is Marty Wilde and friends. Not an imitation show but hard-working artists who first came to fame in the late 50s. They really should change the name of it, in that case.
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Post by richey on Jul 7, 2017 11:52:26 GMT
Was fairly surprised this morning to get an advert from the New Wimbledon for "An Evening With Katie Price." Apparently, a lot of extra cash gets you a "meet and greet with photo" as well as a prime ticket. I say no more. See my post above. Must be a national tour
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Post by TallPaul on Jul 7, 2017 12:49:35 GMT
Surely @theatremonkey, in your case, it will be a 'primate' ticket?
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Post by Mr Snow on Jul 7, 2017 14:18:25 GMT
Was fairly surprised this morning to get an advert from the New Wimbledon for "An Evening With Katie Price." Apparently, a lot of extra cash gets you a "meet and greet with photo" as well as a prime ticket. I say no more. Ever the contrarian I actually think this is preferable to some knock offs pretending to be people with talent and originality. There’s also lots of historical precedence for this kind of evening. I’m thinking about evenings like Charles Dickens reading from his works… Ok. I guess you have a point.
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Post by johartuk on Jul 7, 2017 15:05:20 GMT
'An Evening With Katie Price' sounds like a punishment!
JUDGE: Joe Bloggs, I hereby sentence you to an evening with Katie Price!
JOE BLOGGS: Not that! Anything but that! Can I have life without parole instead?
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Post by stevejohnson678 on Jul 7, 2017 17:08:30 GMT
Three tickets in the whole of the front stalls (centre and side blocks) sold for An Audience With Katie Price at the Liverpool Empire so far. Not sure @theatremonkey's services will be needed for this one.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jul 7, 2017 17:22:01 GMT
Must be some mistake. Surely this gem of an evening is already sold out. it's 3 seats left unsold?
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Post by infofreako on Jul 7, 2017 17:46:32 GMT
Maybe they only put the first 3 seats on sale, the rest will be available tomorrow then all will be fine.
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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 8, 2017 14:35:37 GMT
I actually have a respect for Ms Price, as someone who had nothing and used what she had to create huge success for herself. I have to strongly disagree with you here Monks. When kids look up to someone who has bullsh!tted her way up the greasy pole, had operations to make her 'assets' bigger than anyone else's and has no discernible talent whatsoever, apart form creating a media personality out of nothing, it makes all of our jobs in society harder I think. I truly believe that anyone in that position must step on a lot of toes to get there. How else would they manage it? I just wish the likes of Ms Price would crawl back into their holes. I really do.
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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 8, 2017 14:51:19 GMT
Given the fact that it's harder and harder for anyone without connections to get any kind of a break anywhere, anyhow, I have to disagree, A break for what? She has no talent so has no place up there with the revered. It's really hard to motivate kids when they think all they have to do is get a boob job and be loud, uber-confident and presume they are better than everyone else. However, you speak of connections and that's a whole other quagmire and extremely annoying, I agree. (And not only in the performing arts, obviously.)
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Post by nick on Jul 8, 2017 17:56:16 GMT
Given the fact that it's harder and harder for anyone without connections to get any kind of a break anywhere, anyhow, I have to disagree, A break for what? She has no talent so has no place up there with the revered. It's really hard to motivate kids when they think all they have to do is get a boob job and be loud, uber-confident and presume they are better than everyone else. However, you speak of connections and that's a whole other quagmire and extremely annoying, I agree. (And not only in the performing arts, obviously.) Does the fact she's had her implants removed and now denounces it all as a dangerous practise change your mind at all? She is an excellent business woman it seems to me. She's managed to be successful in quite a number of areas including bringing up a severely disabled child. I've always wanted to hate her but whenever I've heard her speak I just can't manage it.
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Post by infofreako on Jul 8, 2017 18:00:33 GMT
Given the fact that it's harder and harder for anyone without connections to get any kind of a break anywhere, anyhow, I have to disagree, Tibidabo. She possibly did stand on a few people, but in an industry that usually squashes women flat then throws them in the bin when the new younger version comes out, she has managed a lot more than anyone else - and diversified. To an extent, many, many people (myself included) have "bulled" our way up those same poles, and knowing just how hard that is, "fair play to her" and anyone else who does. I have to disagree with you because she genuinely isn't a very nice person. Never was and I suspect that won't change now (Probably for an entirely different topic)
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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 8, 2017 18:59:45 GMT
Does the fact she's had her implants removed and now denounces it all as a dangerous practise change your mind at all? She is an excellent business woman it seems to me. She's managed to be successful in quite a number of areas including bringing up a severely disabled child Well no, not really. I can't imagine children either knowing that (I didn't) or caring. That's how she got famous after all and that's what people know her for. The point is that children look up to her and people like her just make them wonder why they should have to study or work hard at something they like or are good at in order to get on in the world. There's an attitude of entitlement amongst the young at the moment and I lay the blame squarely at the feet of people such as Miss Price. Sorry if that sounds harsh. And, without meaning to be glib, we are all successful mothers. Without nannies for most of us. So no, sorry, she's not a role model I would be pointing out to anyone under my wing.
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Post by infofreako on Jul 10, 2017 21:43:04 GMT
It's really hard to motivate kids when they think all they have to do is get a boob job and be loud, uber-confident and presume they are better than everyone else. The point is that children look up to her and people like her just make them wonder why they should have to study or work hard at something they like or are good at in order to get on in the world. On the other hand, I'd argue that she demonstrates what making the very most of the little you have can do. We really have 3 types of person in this country. A narrow band of well-connected, well off, who will lead great lives because they are at the top of the pile. A rapidly shrinking number of normal people, who can leave school, get a useful education / training and find a niche that will give them a lifestyle in time. A massive number who don't have and never will have a hope unless they are shown that there is another way. Yes, they need to know that if they have that personal internal resource they will need to work incredibly hard - but, they still need to know there is a way through. I'd go so far as to say that (and yes, I know it isn't any longer) "The American Dream" was always lacking in the UK, and we need our children, and indeed our older than that people who feel scrapped, to start feeling it and know how to use it to their advantage. Not sure she spent the weekend setting particularly good examples
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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 10, 2017 22:03:52 GMT
We really have 3 types of person in this country. A narrow band of well-connected, well off, who will lead great lives because they are at the top of the pile. A rapidly shrinking number of normal people, who can leave school, get a useful education / training and find a niche that will give them a lifestyle in time. A massive number who don't have and never will have a hope unless they are shown that there is another way. Well it's one way of seeing things, though I would argue that it's a slightly pessimistic viewpoint and that the middle group is larger than you suggest. I would certainly hope so anyway. This analysis means we will soon have a fourth type - the grown-up offspring of the talentless reality stars - moneyed and senseless.....although I suppose you could argue that they would end up in the first group as they would have connections, though I'm not sure to what.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 9:51:19 GMT
it's a slightly pessimistic viewpoint and that the middle group is larger than you suggest House prices, student loan repayments and post-Brexit economic fluctuations, that's what worries me, tibidabo. Hopefully a property crash will re-set the market, but I'm not holding my breath. I think we already do have that fourth type, and always have - first it was the inheriting aristocracy, and now, as you say, the rest of the self-made's offspring. I'm not wading in on the Ms Price issue. But I have to speak out and agree with Monkey there. So many people attempting to follow the 'good' or 'traditional' way of get education/train find a job/start at the bottom and work your way up. Just doesn't happen any more. It's more like a game of endless snakes and ladders. Get a job, fixed term contract and/or company has a cull, back to square one. The 'lateral' moves are hard to come by and you end up starting in a new place, at the bottom again. Meanwhile the traditional 'rise to the top' via hard work route is also shrinking with jobs etc.
Add to that rising rents, house market that's impossible to break into without a relative dying and I'm sorry but that middle group is fast becoming a generation of high skilled low paid workers.
I say this as someone both very (too much I admit) educated but also with 10 years plus admin/specialist experience who in 6 weeks will be probably working back in Starbucks again for want of any other options.
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Post by martin1965 on Jul 11, 2017 10:30:31 GMT
It's really hard to motivate kids when they think all they have to do is get a boob job and be loud, uber-confident and presume they are better than everyone else. The point is that children look up to her and people like her just make them wonder why they should have to study or work hard at something they like or are good at in order to get on in the world. On the other hand, I'd argue that she demonstrates what making the very most of the little you have can do. We really have 3 types of person in this country. A narrow band of well-connected, well off, who will lead great lives because they are at the top of the pile. A rapidly shrinking number of normal people, who can leave school, get a useful education / training and find a niche that will give them a lifestyle in time. A massive number who don't have and never will have a hope unless they are shown that there is another way. Yes, they need to know that if they have that personal internal resource they will need to work incredibly hard - but, they still need to know there is a way through. I'd go so far as to say that (and yes, I know it isn't any longer) "The American Dream" was always lacking in the UK, and we need our children, and indeed our older than that people who feel scrapped, to start feeling it and know how to use it to their advantage. It really isnt a 'massive number'
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Post by martin1965 on Jul 11, 2017 10:31:45 GMT
We really have 3 types of person in this country. A narrow band of well-connected, well off, who will lead great lives because they are at the top of the pile. A rapidly shrinking number of normal people, who can leave school, get a useful education / training and find a niche that will give them a lifestyle in time. A massive number who don't have and never will have a hope unless they are shown that there is another way. Well it's one way of seeing things, though I would argue that it's a slightly pessimistic viewpoint and that the middle group is larger than you suggest. I would certainly hope so anyway. This analysis means we will soon have a fourth type - the grown-up offspring of the talentless reality stars - moneyed and senseless.....although I suppose you could argue that they would end up in the first group as they would have connections, though I'm not sure to what. Agree!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 10:50:46 GMT
Maybe martin1965 wants to try listening to those actually living it too! It's incredibly frustrating being part of that demographic and being told it just 'isn't an issue' by those who were lucky to escape it. However on the flip side those like Monkey who DO recognise what's going on around them and express concern, make me feel a bit better.
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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 11, 2017 10:52:22 GMT
I'd be genuinely interested to know who on here would be happy to hold people such as Ms Price up as role models for their own children or grandchildren.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 11:12:42 GMT
Maybe martin1965 wants to try listening to those actually living it too! It's incredibly frustrating being part of that demographic and being told it just 'isn't an issue' by those who were lucky to escape it. However on the flip side those like Monkey who DO recognise what's going on around them and express concern, make me feel a bit better. There are a lot of us who do recognise it Emi. I feel very lucky to have been in the generation I was; with my background in today's world there is no way I could have afforded to buy a flat, whereas with two jobs (day job and a part time evening job) it was hard but possible. Grateful I had the luck and wish the young (without family money!) had better prospects 😢
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Post by infofreako on Jul 11, 2017 11:19:06 GMT
I also won't wade back into the Katie Price debate. I dont completely disagree with monkeys reasoning for respecting her and it is the media thats placed her where she is. Sure, as a businesswoman she has done very well to exploit the opportunities gifted her through this. She is still deep down the person she was before she became famous and that isnt a groip of characteristics I would hold up as role model worthy.
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Post by frosty on Jul 11, 2017 11:19:45 GMT
They're doing a 'Spice Girls experience' at the Kings in Portsmouth - no, really! To be fair, if it pulls in the punters and funds and allows them to take a chance on stuff that isn't quite so broad, then I don't have a problem with it. And I'm not averse to a bit of singalonga Abba or a Motown show...A lot of regional theatres have to rely on this stuff and their Panto to keep afloat and can't afford to stage a high brow 'miss'.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 11:23:46 GMT
I also won't wade back into the Katie Price debate. I dont completely disagree with monkeys reasoning for respecting her and it is the media thats placed her where she is. Sure, as a businesswoman she has done very well to exploit the opportunities gifted her through this. She is still deep down the person she was before she became famous and that isnt a groip of characteristics I would hold up as role model worthy. That's my stance too. I'm not saying she's a bastion of morality and someone to be aspired to in terms of the means she got started with BUT I do respect what she's made of herself out of nothing. And that she's clearly a shrewd businesswoman. And on the other hand at least she's open and honest about how she used her 'assets' to get where she is (or at least get started!) I don't see that as much different to going on a talent show or similar.
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Post by martin1965 on Jul 11, 2017 11:25:01 GMT
It really isnt a 'massive number' Looking just at friends and neighbours children, and extrapolating - plus taking that and looking into the future... I'm less certain than you are martin1965. I do like your optimism, though, very much. Got to be glass half full. I have two children, one just graduated and one still at Uni, the much misreported fees issue didnt put them off. I am 50 odd and count myself as lower middle ckass, i have never felt lucky or "privileged" to be of a certain generation, its too too easy to go down the negative route im afraid. Anyhow Dr Emily should be glad im on train to Lahndan for the Angels alldayer tomorrow!😊
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