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Post by danb on Mar 12, 2017 8:43:48 GMT
Yes, it absolutely would. If I was a a terrorist it is less likely that I'm gonna attack something I have no prior knowledge of on the outskirts of the West End. HP is in one of the most central and iconic theatres which would. Taking that junction out would bring the West End to a standstill for days (as would an attack on the Savoy but its a fair bet that more people are aware of Harry Potter as a thing than Dreamgirls.) edit...and I think Theatre bag checks are far more of a deterrent than an anti-terrorism measure. Certainly the guys from 'Four Lions' might discount it as a deterrent anyway. You're discussing which terrorist attack would be more popular. I find this kinda distasteful at a minimum Look at it another way...if your terror cell (and I know you have one Mrs Lovett...don't deny it) were going to assasinate a politician, it wouldn't be some unknown back bencher would it? You'd be doing it for maximum publicity for your cause and attention. Ergo you'd attack the biggest theatrical event of the century not a revival of Brigadoon at the Landor. I could call up numerous posts of yours that I have found distasteful, but it would serve little point. Terrorism is a real thing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 8:48:56 GMT
Tell that to Thomas Mair.
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Post by danb on Mar 12, 2017 9:27:43 GMT
Tell that to Thomas Mair. A fair point...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 9:45:34 GMT
You're discussing which terrorist attack would be more popular. I find this kinda distasteful at a minimum Look at it another way...if your terror cell (and I know you have one Mrs Lovett...don't deny it) were going to assasinate a politician, it wouldn't be some unknown back bencher would it? You'd be doing it for maximum publicity for your cause and attention. Ergo you'd attack the biggest theatrical event of the century not a revival of Brigadoon at the Landor. I could call up numerous posts of yours that I have found distasteful, but it would serve little point. Terrorism is a real thing. If I were a terrorist I think I'm much more likely to go to Leicester Square or a crowded train platform than buy a ticket to something I'm going to get searched at that cud be half empty We are much more likely to get killed by a family member. Maybe we should start a scaremongering thread about how to be secure against them? No coz that would be silly This thread is isn't about security, it's about increasing anxiety and to be macabre about which show would be the biggest 'hit' I apologise if u find lots of my posts distasteful, can't say iv ever seen any other of urs to be able to make a judgement
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Post by danb on Mar 12, 2017 9:52:56 GMT
Oooo burn 😂
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Post by alece10 on Mar 12, 2017 10:00:10 GMT
Don't mean to be insensitive but any chance you're towards the top of this chart? I have no idea what that means. Can someone explain please? Still confused by this. Have I got the wrong end of the stick or is the poster implying I'm racist? The mods removed their post and my reply last night and then put it back later which must indicate that there was an issue but I've no idea why.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 10:07:52 GMT
I have no idea what that means. Can someone explain please? Still confused by this. Have I got the wrong end of the stick or is the poster implying I'm racist? The mods removed their post and my reply last night and then put it back later which must indicate that there was an issue but I've no idea why. They weren't saying u were racist but implying the reason u don't get hassle is ur prob white and that generally it isn't white people that get stopped
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Post by danb on Mar 12, 2017 10:08:19 GMT
I assumed it was because 'Family Guy' wasn't cool any more?
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Post by alece10 on Mar 12, 2017 10:17:50 GMT
I assumed it was because 'Family Guy' wasn't cool any more? Well I've never seen Family Guy so had no idea what the cartoon was.
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Post by The Matthew on Mar 12, 2017 10:20:08 GMT
I have no idea what that means. Can someone explain please? Still confused by this. Have I got the wrong end of the stick or is the poster implying I'm racist? It's implying the security services are racist.
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Post by alece10 on Mar 12, 2017 10:29:40 GMT
Still confused by this. Have I got the wrong end of the stick or is the poster implying I'm racist? It's implying the security services are racist. Blimey. No idea where they get that idea from but thanks for the clarification.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 10:41:18 GMT
It's implying the security services are racist. Blimey. No idea where they get that idea from . Yes, I think that's the point, as a white person u probably wouldn't (Not having a go or owt)
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Post by Honoured Guest on Mar 12, 2017 11:37:38 GMT
It's implying the security services are racist. Blimey. No idea where they get that idea from but thanks for the clarification. Perhaps this sort of thing: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-39037385Or perhaps profiling a completely innocent Brazilian worker as a terrorist, ordering their public execution on the London Underground and then being appointed Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police?
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Post by alece10 on Mar 12, 2017 12:25:15 GMT
And I thought this was a discussion about having your bags checked as you enter the theatre.
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Post by danb on Mar 12, 2017 12:25:23 GMT
No mention of the alleged 13 major terrorist plots that have been foiled in the last year though?
It does concern me how I accept collateral damage but then it's never me or mine that are affected. It is certainly more involved than a few glib comments on a message board so in retrospect I shall think before posting in future as everything affects someone somewhere.
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 12, 2017 12:35:18 GMT
Look at it another way...if your terror cell (and I know you have one Mrs Lovett...don't deny it) were going to assasinate a politician, it wouldn't be some unknown back bencher would it? You'd be doing it for maximum publicity for your cause and attention. Ergo you'd attack the biggest theatrical event of the century not a revival of Brigadoon at the Landor. I could call up numerous posts of yours that I have found distasteful, but it would serve little point. Terrorism is a real thing. If I were a terrorist I think I'm much more likely to go to Leicester Square or a crowded train platform than buy a ticket to something I'm going to get searched at that cud be half empty We are much more likely to get killed by a family member. Maybe we should start a scaremongering thread about how to be secure against them? No coz that would be silly This thread is isn't about security, it's about increasing anxiety and to be macabre about which show would be the biggest 'hit' I apologise if u find lots of my posts distasteful, can't say iv ever seen any other of urs to be able to make a judgement No this thread isn't about what show would be the most likely to be attacked, Harry Potter example was used by me for no other reason than it uses the toughest security operation at their theatre, my original post did give a reasoned - both sides of the argument, to allowed both subjective and objective debate to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 13:13:27 GMT
If I were a terrorist I think I'm much more likely to go to Leicester Square or a crowded train platform than buy a ticket to something I'm going to get searched at that cud be half empty We are much more likely to get killed by a family member. Maybe we should start a scaremongering thread about how to be secure against them? No coz that would be silly This thread is isn't about security, it's about increasing anxiety and to be macabre about which show would be the biggest 'hit' I apologise if u find lots of my posts distasteful, can't say iv ever seen any other of urs to be able to make a judgement No this thread isn't about what show would be the most likely to be attacked, Harry Potter example was used by me for no other reason than it uses the toughest security operation at their theatre, my original post did give a reasoned - both sides of the argument, to allowed both subjective and objective debate to happen. the thing is your original post said 'There is solid evidence that London's entertainment industry could be attacked ' and there is NO evidence to suggest this. Sighting the Paris and Orlando killings is not 'solid evidence' is subjective evidence We all scoff at Trump banning Muslims for certain countries from the US as the lack of terrorist attacks in the name of Islam on their soil. what is the difference here? because the is no evidence there will be an attack on a theatre and i wonder sensiblness of discussing how many people u could take out in a theatre or which shows would get the most publicity from an attack vs the anxiety such discussions will cause some people (maybe just me)......
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Mar 12, 2017 13:46:23 GMT
I deliberately went to shows in London just after 7/7 because I figured they might be getting a dip in support, I'll listen to security services if they suggest not going somewhere, as not to do so would be stupid, but every person who changes their activities is just one more victory for those seeking exactly that.
You can't live your life being afraid (or I suppose you could read the Express and be frightened of everything and everyone).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 14:00:56 GMT
Exactly! And this thread is JUST about fear and not based on ANY evidence
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 12, 2017 15:28:48 GMT
No this thread isn't about what show would be the most likely to be attacked, Harry Potter example was used by me for no other reason than it uses the toughest security operation at their theatre, my original post did give a reasoned - both sides of the argument, to allowed both subjective and objective debate to happen. the thing is your original post said 'There is solid evidence that London's entertainment industry could be attacked ' and there is NO evidence to suggest this. Sighting the Paris and Orlando killings is not 'solid evidence' is subjective evidence We all scoff at Trump banning Muslims for certain countries from the US as the lack of terrorist attacks in the name of Islam on their soil. what is the difference here? because the is no evidence there will be an attack on a theatre and i wonder sensiblness of discussing how many people u could take out in a theatre or which shows would get the most publicity from an attack vs the anxiety such discussions will cause some people (maybe just me)...... Isn't that solid enough evidence? I mean both are events that people paid admission to attend, I could've also included a soccer match in Paris. So not subjective but objective as it is a matter of fact. In my first paragraph I did say terrorism means fear.
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 12, 2017 15:34:27 GMT
No mention of the alleged 13 major terrorist plots that have been foiled in the last year though? It does concern me how I accept collateral damage but then it's never me or mine that are affected. It is certainly more involved than a few glib comments on a message board so in retrospect I shall think before posting in future as everything affects someone somewhere. The security and police service do a terrific job, however when something does go wrong both these services often face the full wrath of the media. Also when they do foil a plot, it can often be dismissed as a cynical ploy to justify war in Afghanistan/Iraq/Syria.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 15:50:53 GMT
I dont' think anyone started or commented on the post to be offensive. There's two sides to increased security- the side that is concerned with disruption to the show through drunk customers/people filming/people smuggling in an entire Pizza Hut Buffet that theatres are concerned about to different degrees. Then there's also the (I think we can all agree) reality of life that anywhere COULD be a terrorist target and high profile/high density areas are indeed targets.
I don't think anyone here has crossed any line of 'decency' whichever side they've discussed.
To get back on track, there's also the 'invisible' security at theatres we don't see- especially in larger venues like the NT, Barbican, WMC and others, which is all the monitoring of the building, patrolling and general safety stuff the security personnel do- it's more than just bag searches. And again, if it stops one person getting hurt well it's certainly not really hurting the rest of us.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 15:59:27 GMT
the thing is your original post said 'There is solid evidence that London's entertainment industry could be attacked ' and there is NO evidence to suggest this. Sighting the Paris and Orlando killings is not 'solid evidence' is subjective evidence We all scoff at Trump banning Muslims for certain countries from the US as the lack of terrorist attacks in the name of Islam on their soil. what is the difference here? because the is no evidence there will be an attack on a theatre and i wonder sensiblness of discussing how many people u could take out in a theatre or which shows would get the most publicity from an attack vs the anxiety such discussions will cause some people (maybe just me)...... Isn't that solid enough evidence? I mean both are events that people paid admission to attend, I could've also included a soccer match in Paris. So not subjective but objective as it is a matter of fact. In my first paragraph I did say terrorism means fear. No it's not! In no way is ur opinion solid evidence, it's your oppinion. This is the world we r living where one persons oppinion becomes fact
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 19:36:49 GMT
I'm a bit confused why we're arguing about the likelihood of an attack and whether that's offensive to people. Terrorism by its very nature is offensive, but unfortunately we seem to be stuck with it for the foreseeable.
Surely the evidence so far suggests that those who wish us harm generally target places where people 1) gather together and 2) can't escape easily. Shopping centres, modes of transport, schools and, yes, entertainment venues, whether that's a football stadium or a nightclub.
We see it time and again, whether it's Islamist terrorists, the IRA or even that misfit at the US school with the weaponry he really shouldn't have access to.
The fact that security occasionally gets ramped up in theatres, dies down and then gets ramped up again certainly suggests that their teams are taking advice from the police/security services. So unfortunately I'd say yes, they probably are a target.
The best we can do is trust the security services, hope it doesn't happen to us, and keep going about our daily business. The theatres still seem pretty full so I don't think the population are exactly cowering in fear.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 7:29:14 GMT
I mean I never said, nor try to ever say, the dreaded 'offensive' just that it is no evidence to suggest there will be one on a theatre and u are MUCH more likely to be raped by ur own children than be caught up in one at a theatre. Guessing which theatre would get most publicity is just weird and distasful although would be quite interesting to find out if the people that have mentioned this will be looked into by the authorities more closely, as is the world we now live
But of course this is the internet and I'm fully aware nothing on it is based in truth or evidence or reality or sanity. Just a group of would be sensible people thrown over to hysterics (myself frequently included)
But I've said this several times
I mean no harm to others but this is getting to me. U can hide other posters, can we hide threads do we know?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 13, 2017 7:57:36 GMT
I mean no harm to others but this is getting to me. U can hide other posters, can we hide threads do we know? No, that's not possible.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 8:28:25 GMT
I mean no harm to others but this is getting to me. U can hide other posters, can we hide threads do we know? No, that's not possible. sh*te
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 18:35:05 GMT
I want to say you can turn off notifications for a particular thread, then you just have to avoid it and you'll never be any the wiser what's going on inside. Worth investigating?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 25, 2017 7:48:09 GMT
Interesting to review this thread in the light of Manchester.
For those who have been to the theatre this week, or any other types of entertain,ent venue for that matter has there been any change in security procedures?
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Post by Dan213 on May 25, 2017 9:38:37 GMT
Interesting to review this thread in the light of Manchester. For those who have been to the theatre this week, or any other types of entertain,ent venue for that matter has there been any change in security procedures? Saw this on Twitter yesterday:
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