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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 0:19:06 GMT
Oh I know she gives it her all. I have no doubt she does. I just personally prefer someone who can act the hell outta it as well as sing. Just my personal preference.
I agree, they are going to have to say something eventually. Because if she is expected to be here until November 18th (which ATG has consistently said on the website since it was announced), its not really fair for those who are desperate to see Amber.
That being said, I've been twice, both when Amber was scheduled to be on but Marisha has been on both times. No complaints, feel free to take over girl. You are back!!!!!
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Post by sempala on Aug 23, 2017 13:03:26 GMT
First time Karen's been announced to perform, and they're bigging her up like something's different about this performance. Weird that they're finally mentioning her this late in the run..
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Post by daniel on Aug 23, 2017 13:09:32 GMT
They're doing a twitter takeover today with one of the ensemble running the page - could it be something to do with that maybe?
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Post by theatre on Aug 23, 2017 13:11:30 GMT
First time Karen's been announced to perform, and they're bigging her up like something's different about this performance. Weird that they're finally mentioning her this late in the run.. This might have something to do with Marisha going on holiday in the States for a week or so - if they don't push Karen like they have done for Marisha this week, they may struggle a little on the now 3 performances which Amber doesn't perform in? Just a thought - they can't afford subpar sales for 3 shows , and I think Marisha has reached the point now where people do know her (of us theatre people anyway!) and would book to see her. Karen, I don't think is there yet.
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Post by sempala on Aug 23, 2017 14:12:00 GMT
I'm just glad she's getting a bit of a mention, it's an official account so people will see it. Even if it's with their sales in mind rather than actually pushing Karen's talent, I'm sure she'll appreciate it.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 25, 2017 16:52:02 GMT
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Post by ali973 on Aug 25, 2017 17:20:17 GMT
Oh I love these boys! They're from the 2009(ish?) tour of West Side Story, right? They're so sexy.
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Post by ada92 on Aug 31, 2017 8:55:08 GMT
Didn't fancy this or think it would be for me but was worth it to see Karen Mav move me to floods of tears at the end of the first act..... The whole show not a patch on 42nd Street for showmanship or precision although the lighting sequences and usage were brilliant. Some good voices but the diction was poor in first act - but worth it for that one moment at the end of Act 1
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Post by kulen on Aug 31, 2017 9:06:36 GMT
Didn't fancy this or think it would be for me but was worth it to see Karen Mav move me to floods of tears at the end of the first act..... The whole show not a patch on 42nd Street for showmanship or precision although the lighting sequences and usage were brilliant. Some good voices but the diction was poor in first act - but worth it for that one moment at the end of Act 1 Have you seen amber ? X
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Post by HereForTheatre on Aug 31, 2017 9:30:32 GMT
I notice that Ruth Brown has a "showcase" run at The Other Palace coming up and it's produced by Sonia Friedman....so obviously no fall out or bad blood there. Liked by the Dreamgirls account on twitter too.
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Post by ada92 on Aug 31, 2017 9:41:55 GMT
Didn't fancy this or think it would be for me but was worth it to see Karen Mav move me to floods of tears at the end of the first act..... The whole show not a patch on 42nd Street for showmanship or precision although the lighting sequences and usage were brilliant. Some good voices but the diction was poor in first act - but worth it for that one moment at the end of Act 1 Have you seen amber ? X No - only online
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Post by kulen on Aug 31, 2017 10:05:49 GMT
Didn't fancy this or think it would be for me but was worth it to see Karen Mav move me to floods of tears at the end of the first act..... The whole show not a patch on 42nd Street for showmanship or precision although the lighting sequences and usage were brilliant. Some good voices but the diction was poor in first act - but worth it for that one moment at the end of Act 1 - enjoy
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 11:05:15 GMT
Didn't fancy this or think it would be for me but was worth it to see Karen Mav move me to floods of tears at the end of the first act..... The whole show not a patch on 42nd Street for showmanship or precision although the lighting sequences and usage were brilliant. Some good voices but the diction was poor in first act - but worth it for that one moment at the end of Act 1 - enjoy That started so well... but got far too shouty 3mins in. It sounded painful to listen to, let alone sing/strain. Also interesting there was no mid-applause like there usually is in that "Anddd..... I am.... telling you".
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 31, 2017 11:08:31 GMT
I notice that Ruth Brown has a "showcase" run at The Other Palace coming up and it's produced by Sonia Friedman....so obviously no fall out or bad blood there. Liked by the Dreamgirls account on twitter too. Maybe SF gave her the showcase to compensate her and ensure she keeps her gob shut about the goings on backstage
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Post by sempala on Aug 31, 2017 11:33:47 GMT
- enjoy That started so well... but got far too shouty 3mins in. It sounded painful to listen to, let alone sing/strain. Also interesting there was no mid-applause like there usually is in that "Anddd..... I am.... telling you". I really think that the problem for Karen is that she isn't getting enough steady shoes where she can settle. Her performances seem very random and I think it's hard to nail songs when your singing them almost once every two weeks to an actual audience. What I can definitely say though is that performance is definitely better than the one I saw in May which means she is improving (I also think the date in the title is meant to be June 5th rather than July 5th as I was there that performance and she was not on for Effie). The start of the song was also incredible, to me I honestly think Karen is the best Effie, due to her tone of voice - she definitely has the most potential and if she had a chance to perform on a regular basis I believe she could work on her issues with the last minute of the song. The fact this was performed almost 2 months ago also gives me hope that she is still continuing to improve - in my opinion that's the only song she struggles with. I've talked with her and she literally told me "growling hurts", leading me to believe that maybe it's how Effie is directed? Anywhoo I found all her other songs to be perfect, especially I Am Changing which is also posted on the channel.
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Post by Paul on Aug 31, 2017 14:06:38 GMT
Didn't fancy this or think it would be for me but was worth it to see Karen Mav move me to floods of tears at the end of the first act..... The whole show not a patch on 42nd Street for showmanship or precision although the lighting sequences and usage were brilliant. Some good voices but the diction was poor in first act - but worth it for that one moment at the end of Act 1 - enjoy That was much better than I expected. Karen does have a few weak moments where she doesn't support her vocals but I actually think she has a nicer voice than Marisha.
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Post by ada92 on Aug 31, 2017 15:45:50 GMT
The show is to perform on This Morning tomorrow......
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Post by sempala on Aug 31, 2017 15:52:18 GMT
Just wanted to embed the link.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 16:16:42 GMT
Just wanted to embed the link. She has a great voice, she has gotten a lot stronger! She does have some weaker moments too, she really is yelling at the end of the song, which I know Marisha does too, but Karen comes across more like she is pressuring her voice too much with it but other than that, she sings it well, and a lot softer for the most part than both Marisha and Amber I'd say.
Also nice to hear the whole song for once. I've seen the show twice (both Marisha) and both times the audiences were going crazy thoughout the song, which I love me some crazy, but its nice to hear it in full!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 16:57:00 GMT
I'm not keen on the tone of her voice, it all sounds kind of monotone. And whats with the odd notes she sings at the end 'we both share the same blood' ??
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 17:00:09 GMT
I would say, having heard the three girls (Marisha live, Amber on Cast Recording, Karen via audio), judging it on those alone, Marisha is still my favourite vocally. But I want to hear Karen live to see a full performance.
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Post by sempala on Aug 31, 2017 17:10:12 GMT
I'm not keen on the tone of her voice, it all sounds kind of monotone. And whats with the odd notes she sings at the end 'we both share the same blood' ?? I guess its her take on it, it does sound really good live. Its where she's grabbing onto curtis. Have you heard her I am Changing? Its on the same channel.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Aug 31, 2017 17:21:13 GMT
Going on vocals I don't see how Amber doesn't win hands down. The other two aren't a remote patch on her for vocals.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 18:08:01 GMT
Going on vocals I don't see how Amber doesn't win hands down. The other two aren't a remote patch on her for vocals. Yes, she has a great vpice, that cannot be denied. I just perfer Marisha's vocals (sorry!). And I have said itbefore, based on what I have heard from alot of those who have seen her live, the vocals are amazing but the acting is, well, not really there. It's basically Amber singing the songs amazingly and not much else there. I need a performance, which, for me, you get from Marisha. But that may change once I see the other two live, we shall see.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 18:14:10 GMT
When Amber left me at the interval after delivering her AIATY, I was physically shook, crying and immensely overwhelmed.
When Marisha did, she left me with goosebumps.
Amber is 10/10, whereas for me Marisha is 8/10.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 18:17:33 GMT
When Amber left me at the interval after delivering her AIATY, I was physically shook, crying and immensely overwhelmed. When Marisha did, she left me with goosebumps. Amber is 10/10, whereas for me Marisha is 8/10. See great lesson here people (not this specific poster or any of the recent ones haha), but your thoughts on Amber, were my thoughts on Marisha.
Different tastes, different feelings on performers and performances and that's oki.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 18:22:52 GMT
I think Marisha got a bit screwed over personally by some. She came in, no one here knew who she was, blew the roof off the Savoy her first few performances and got raves (rightly so, I was there her first performance day) and so, she could never live up to that with everyone. It happens with shows and performers all the time, you hear so much about them, that when you see them live, expectations are so high that it can never live up to it. 42nd Street being a prime example. Everyone raved (again, rightly so, as I saw the 3rd preview), but after a week or two, a few dud reviews came out of it. I'm not saying everyone got caught up in the responses to her, but I do think that over that over time some have and therefore have been left cold. I wonder how people would feel had she not got the great responses at the start of her run, would they still feel how they feel now about her (not a critique, an opinions an opinion, but just curious thought).
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Post by daniel on Aug 31, 2017 18:56:39 GMT
For me, vocally it's Amber hands down. I can't recall any other time when somebody's vocal performance left me physically shaking. Ever. Yet that's how I was at the interval. That said, she may as well have been singing the songs at a concert, there wasn't really a great deal of acting for me.
Marisha, however, is an equally amazing vocalist. I don't think her voice is as strong and clear as Amber's, but she has different qualities. She has a much more raw tone, and she brings a lot more emotion to the part. Her acting is streets ahead too.
When I saw Amber, I was watching Amber Riley sing Dreamgirls. When I saw Marisha, I was watching Effie White.
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Post by showtoones on Aug 31, 2017 18:57:26 GMT
I think Marisha got a bit screwed over personally by some. She came in, no one here knew who she was, blew the roof off the Savoy her first few performances and got raves (rightly so, I was there her first performance day) and so, she could never live up to that with everyone. It happens with shows and performers all the time, you hear so much about them, that when you see them live, expectations are so high that it can never live up to it. 42nd Street being a prime example. Everyone raved (again, rightly so, as I saw the 3rd preview), but after a week or two, a few dud reviews came out of it. I'm not saying everyone got caught up in the responses to her, but I do think that over that over time some have and therefore have been left cold. I wonder how people would feel had she not got the great responses at the start of her run, would they still feel how they feel now about her (not a critique, an opinions an opinion, but just curious thought). Daniel - have you heard if Marisha is taking over for Amber on 20 November?
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Post by singularsensation10 on Aug 31, 2017 19:22:48 GMT
For me, vocally it's Amber hands down. I can't recall any other time when somebody's vocal performance left me physically shaking. Ever. Yet that's how I was at the interval. That said, she may as well have been singing the songs at a concert, there wasn't really a great deal of acting for me. Marisha, however, is an equally amazing vocalist. I don't think her voice is as strong and clear as Amber's, but she has different qualities. She has a much more raw tone, and she brings a lot more emotion to the part. Her acting is streets ahead too. When I saw Amber, I was watching Amber Riley sing Dreamgirls. When I saw Marisha, I was watching Effie White. These are my sentiments exactly. There is no denying Amber's talent but there is equally no denying Marisha's characterisation. The audience reacted differently to both performances too. Lots of mid-song whoops and applauses for Amber, akin to a concert - whereas Marisha's applause and audience reaction was largely at the end of the songs, as though we had been on the journey with the character. Don't get me wrong, I loved both girls. But Marisha tipped it for me as I felt she 'got' the character more.
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