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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 7:49:19 GMT
All I have to say is Bat out of Hell sounded infinitely better than Hamilton. They achieved some incredible results with the Sound Design at BOOH, so it's a shame the great big popularity contest swept up in this area.
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Post by partytentdown on Apr 9, 2018 7:49:51 GMT
Much consternation on Twitter as it seems Peter Hall was missed off the In Memoriam section...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 8:14:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 8:23:28 GMT
How did Michael Jibson win ? It is such a small character, not even worthy of being a supporting actor. He plays the role well, but the role shouldn't even be nominated, never mind winning. The actor who played George Washington should have been nominated instead in my opinion. And yet he manages to wipe the floor with the rest of the cast in those few minutes . . .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 8:30:04 GMT
Well. John McCrea was robbed. And Patti LuPone stole the show.
The less said about 'Yawnilton' the better.
'nuff said.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 8:45:17 GMT
Honestly, I think it's been too good a year for homegrown theatre to go loopy over an import. Any other year, sure, absolutely, go wild, you're only up against Love Never Dies or Dreamboats and Petticoats, but the panel clearly loved Girl From The North Country, and the best musical I saw all year was Romantics Anonymous, which didn't get *any* nominations despite being eligible. Jamie should've taken best musical at least.
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Post by poster J on Apr 9, 2018 9:01:04 GMT
Honestly, I think it's been too good a year for homegrown theatre to go loopy over an import. Any other year, sure, absolutely, go wild, you're only up against Love Never Dies or Dreamboats and Petticoats, but the panel clearly loved Girl From The North Country, and the best musical I saw all year was Romantics Anonymous, which didn't get *any* nominations despite being eligible. Jamie should've taken best musical at least. Sorry, I don't agree with that logic at all, that completely defeats the purpose of the awards. The whole point is to celebrate the best theatre put on in London the previous year. If that is an import, then so be it, and home grown shows need to pull their socks up if they want to win. It's the same for the Tonys, only less likely to occur there because they have even more home grown shows so inevitably there are more likely to be good ones. Any kind of positive bias towards "British" shows just because of the nationality of their composer/playwright doesn't sit comfortably with me - they're all employing local actors in any event, and local front of house and backstage staff, so they're all contributing to the London theatre scene. The awards should be on merit no matter where the show comes from, and in that respect I think Hamilton's wins are entirely justified, though it was a very strong year and in most other years Girl From the North Country would probably have won more.
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Post by anita on Apr 9, 2018 9:29:06 GMT
Anyone got links to "Young Frankenstein" or "Everybody's talking about Jamie" performance please?
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Apr 9, 2018 9:49:22 GMT
Performance wise, Clare Halse owned the stage and really slapped every, single person who didn't put her in that catagory. I think and hope that has become universally accepted now. Yes, I am bitter and will be for a while (I hope grudges, Emma Williams and Victoria Hanilton Barritt should og won the past two years, still bitter!). I love Tracie Bennett, shes just nuts but I'm here for it. I thought the Hamilton performance was fine, if a tad dull. It wasn't very exciting but vocally it was great. No, the direction of 42nd Street gave no room for good acting performances. They aimed for something mannered and that will never beat performances of emotional truth like Dee or Henderson. 42nd Street aimed for spectacle and relegated book and story completely, they could have trusted the matrial but they decided to keep an ironic distance. No nominations for acting tells the whole story.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Apr 9, 2018 9:51:40 GMT
Network’s technical wizardry made Cranston’s performance. On its own it was perfectly solid but aimed more at the screen than the back of the auditorium. It didn’t really fill the space when needed, maybe it looked better in the front stalls. I disagree. Saw it from the circle and he was terrific in a difficult role. A well-deserved win. Compared to Garfield and Scott it wasn’t, the screens gave him the lift that he needed. Considine I would put alongside Cranston, also a performance which didn’t fill the space as much as it could but, in comparison, he didn’t have any screens to help him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 10:00:45 GMT
I disagree. Saw it from the circle and he was terrific in a difficult role. A well-deserved win. Compared to Garfield and Scott it wasn’t, the screens gave him the lift that he needed. Considine I would put alongside Cranston, also a performance which didn’t fill the space as much as it could but, in comparison, he didn’t have any screens to help him. Plus, don't forget that Bryan Cranston is a bigger star than Considine and Scott. And he turned up to the show (in a nice brown tux btw) which Garfield didn't (couldn't).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 10:01:34 GMT
He'll always be "the dad from Malcolm in the Middle" to me.
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Post by ellie1981 on Apr 9, 2018 10:12:11 GMT
Compared to Garfield and Scott it wasn’t, the screens gave him the lift that he needed. Considine I would put alongside Cranston, also a performance which didn’t fill the space as much as it could but, in comparison, he didn’t have any screens to help him. Plus, don't forget that Bryan Cranston is a bigger star than Considine and Scott. And he turned up to the show (in a nice brown tux btw) which Garfield didn't (couldn't). It does appear to be getting a bit like the Brit Awards, in that the panel is likely to award whomever is most likely to turn up to the ceremony.
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Post by ellie1981 on Apr 9, 2018 10:16:56 GMT
For those of you who were there talking about sound issues, I don’t think it came across that way on the broadcast. I’m going to see Jamie later this week and hadn’t heard any of the songs before last night. It sounded great to me on the TV so am looking forward to it.
I’ve always found the Royal Albert Hall to be quite rubbish for sound for anything other than Classical music. I’ve been to whole pop concerts there and not heard a word the artist said or sang. Always had similar issues with the acoustics in the old Earls Court arena too so I just don’t bother with the RAH any more.
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Post by johartuk on Apr 9, 2018 10:18:55 GMT
The Joseph tribute was very nice - even though I have no idea who any of the all-stars were! (Yes, I'm a provincial Yankee living in the States) The first narrator to sing was Linzi Hately (narrator in the 1991 West End revival) The second narrator was Preeya Kalidas (narrator in the 2007 West End revival) The third narrator was Danielle Hope (a former narrator on the tour - discovered via a TV show casting Dorothy in a West End production of The Wizard Of Oz ) The first Joseph to sing, and wearing the coat, was Joe McElderry (current Touring Joseph - a former XFactor winner) The second Joseph to sing (curly haired) was Lee Mead (played Joseph in the 2007 West End revival - he was famously cast via a TV show, though was already a jobbing musical theatre performer prior to that) The third Joseph was Jason Donovan (Aussie actor and singer, who played Joseph in the 1991 revival)
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Post by poster J on Apr 9, 2018 10:29:58 GMT
For those of you who were there talking about sound issues, I don’t think it came across that way on the broadcast. I’m going to see Jamie later this week and hadn’t heard any of the songs before last night. It sounded great to me on the TV so am looking forward to it. I’ve always found the Royal Albert Hall to be quite rubbish for sound for anything other than Classical music. I’ve been to whole pop concerts there and not heard a word the artist said or sang. Always had similar issues with the acoustics in the old Earls Court arena too so I just don’t bother with the RAH any more. There were no sound issues for the Hamilton, Follies or Girl From the North Country performances, it was just Jamie that was unintelligible. I thought the 42nd Street performance almost sounded as if the singers were in a different key to the orchestra - it certainly didn't sound as good as it is at Drury Lane - but they were still perfectly understandable, same with Young Frankenstein.
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Post by sf on Apr 9, 2018 11:11:29 GMT
Performance wise, Clare Halse owned the stage and really slapped every, single person who didn't put her in that catagory. I think and hope that has become universally accepted now. Yes, I am bitter and will be for a while (I hope grudges, Emma Williams and Victoria Hanilton Barritt should og won the past two years, still bitter!). I love Tracie Bennett, shes just nuts but I'm here for it. I thought the Hamilton performance was fine, if a tad dull. It wasn't very exciting but vocally it was great. No, the direction of 42nd Street gave no room for good acting performances. They aimed for something mannered and that will never beat performances of emotional truth like Dee or Henderson. 42nd Street aimed for spectacle and relegated book and story completely, they could have trusted the matrial but they decided to keep an ironic distance. No nominations for acting tells the whole story. That's a very kind description. The night I saw it, with two exceptions - Clare Halse and Jasna Ivir - the performances were robotic and utterly charmless.
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Post by d'James on Apr 9, 2018 11:17:59 GMT
The Hamilton performance was an odd choice. Some of the 42nd Street dancing was very ungainly. The Follies performance was horrendous.
I thought Sheila Atim had a gorgeous voice.
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Post by Dan213 on Apr 9, 2018 11:26:27 GMT
For those of you who were there talking about sound issues, I don’t think it came across that way on the broadcast. I’m going to see Jamie later this week and hadn’t heard any of the songs before last night. It sounded great to me on the TV so am looking forward to it. I’ve always found the Royal Albert Hall to be quite rubbish for sound for anything other than Classical music. I’ve been to whole pop concerts there and not heard a word the artist said or sang. Always had similar issues with the acoustics in the old Earls Court arena too so I just don’t bother with the RAH any more. There were no sound issues for the Hamilton, Follies or Girl From the North Country performances, it was just Jamie that was unintelligible. I thought the 42nd Street performance almost sounded as if the singers were in a different key to the orchestra - it certainly didn't sound as good as it is at Drury Lane - but they were still perfectly understandable, same with Young Frankenstein. Interestingly, some of the casts, including Hamilton I believe had numerous rehearsals in the space before the show. Jamie only got given one, which probably accounts for the sound issues.
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Post by d'James on Apr 9, 2018 11:28:55 GMT
Forgot to say, Catherine Tate should not come back as host. (Let’s not mention the dress.)
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Post by poster J on Apr 9, 2018 11:32:14 GMT
There were no sound issues for the Hamilton, Follies or Girl From the North Country performances, it was just Jamie that was unintelligible. I thought the 42nd Street performance almost sounded as if the singers were in a different key to the orchestra - it certainly didn't sound as good as it is at Drury Lane - but they were still perfectly understandable, same with Young Frankenstein. Interestingly, some of the casts, including Hamilton I believe had numerous rehearsals before the show. Jamie only got given one, which probably accounts for the sound issues. Presumably the rehearsals were for choreography reasons though?
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Post by Dan213 on Apr 9, 2018 11:34:21 GMT
Interestingly, some of the casts, including Hamilton I believe had numerous rehearsals before the show. Jamie only got given one, which probably accounts for the sound issues. Presumably the rehearsals were for choreography reasons though? Not sure, although I would have thought part of that would have involved sorting the sound, which in a big ensemble piece, is going to be more complex than some of the solos performed
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 11:42:07 GMT
Why did Hamilton choose that of all numbers to perform, have they discussed it at all? It just seemed an odd choice when you would surely want to highlight all the nominees and do a medley. The King didn't get a moment and he won, and Rachel being the only female nominee didn't even get a look in which I find very odd.
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Post by Rory on Apr 9, 2018 11:45:34 GMT
This may be a daft question but why is Tracie Bennett's performance being criticised? Just curious.
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Post by Dan213 on Apr 9, 2018 11:47:03 GMT
Why did Hamilton choose that of all numbers to perform, have they discussed it at all? It just seemed an odd choice when you would surely want to highlight all the nominees and do a medley. The King didn't get a moment and he won, and Rachel being the only female nominee didn't even get a look in which I find very odd. I agree, although it’s difficult to find a song with them all in. I would have felt Schuyler Sisters would have been a much better choice given that it showcases both Burr and Angelica.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 11:49:06 GMT
Why did Hamilton choose that of all numbers to perform, have they discussed it at all? It just seemed an odd choice when you would surely want to highlight all the nominees and do a medley. The King didn't get a moment and he won, and Rachel being the only female nominee didn't even get a look in which I find very odd. I agree, although it’s difficult to find a song with them all in. I would have felt Schuyler Sisters would have been a much better choice given that it showcases both Burr and Angelica. I agree, and I actually think that is my favourite song in the show. But based on last night, I'm still not a fan of Giles voice for that role really so I would of rather he sang less and everyone got equal footing (even though he won haha).
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Post by d'James on Apr 9, 2018 11:52:03 GMT
This may be a daft question but why is Tracie Bennett's performance being criticised? Just curious. Should’ve gone to Specsavers. (They so hearing aids too y’know.)
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Post by lynette on Apr 9, 2018 11:55:39 GMT
I agree, although it’s difficult to find a song with them all in. I would have felt Schuyler Sisters would have been a much better choice given that it showcases both Burr and Angelica. I agree, and I actually think that is my favourite song in the show. But based on last night, I'm still not a fan of Giles voice for that role really so I would of rather he sang less and everyone got equal footing (even though he won haha). It was to get the opening number and name of the show embedded into the punters' puny brains - sell, sell, sell..
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Post by alicechallice on Apr 9, 2018 11:56:48 GMT
Much consternation on Twitter as it seems Peter Hall was missed off the In Memoriam section... And rightly so. Surely he should have been the "headliner" (final face) of the montage. Nobody else on that list was as prolific in terms of London theatre.
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Post by lynette on Apr 9, 2018 11:58:37 GMT
Much consternation on Twitter as it seems Peter Hall was missed off the In Memoriam section... And rightly so. Surely he should have been the "headliner" (final face) of the montage. Nobody else on that list was as prolific in terms of London theatre. Very poor show to forget him. He more or less created the RSC and the NT whatever we think of them now.
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