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Post by Michael on Oct 24, 2016 6:09:15 GMT
Because I had a difference of opinion with people you're acting like I'm some kind of villain - I'm not a troll, as you'd see from my old posts I'm just a regular person, I didn't come in just to disrupt your Clinton praise fest with a controversial voice just for the sake of it, I just have a different view from "the norm" here. I don't actually mind if I'm banned/removed and my posts cleansed- if that's what this forum does to people with a differing opinion then it's not the place for me anyway. It's a shame that you felt that way and even deleted your account, but we don't ban users, remove or clean posts only because the posters have a different opinion. I said it, and then I posted links to 4 polls where he is leading. It's factual, not my opinion, and I provided the evidence. Anyway, carry on, I'm not going to be coming in again so you'll have no more opposition from me. Kellyanne Conway, Trump's campaign manager, acknowledged herself that Trump was behind Hillary Clinton: www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/kellyanne-conway-acknowledges-we-are-behind-791775299904
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Post by kathryn on Oct 24, 2016 8:07:02 GMT
Also, where are the sane people here? Please help, non-insane people. One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. There's no point arguing with some people.
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Post by foxa on Oct 24, 2016 8:13:15 GMT
I'm trying not to post in this topic because I find post-truth discussions a waste of time, but eatbigsea's cri de coeur spoke to me. Lots of sane people here but obviously 'gho' was convinced of some pretty, oh, can't think of a polite way of putting it, how about unexamined nonsense. I wondered if 'gho' posted anywhere but on this thread but since 'gho' has disappeared like a 'ghost' I'll never know. So welcome to the forum eatbigsea and please be reassured lots of wonderful people on here - this thread is not representative (I think the few of us who are Americans, like me, have been steering clear as much as our typing fingers will let us. If we're going to have these arguments it's only worth expending the energy on people whose minds you might be able to change - and who can vote.) There's an interesting discussion of post-factual politics and how lies are quickly believed on This American Life podcast: www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/599/seriously
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Post by The Matthew on Oct 24, 2016 8:24:38 GMT
I wondered if 'gho' posted anywhere but on this thread but since 'gho' has disappeared like a 'ghost' I'll never know. "gho" posted in quite a few other threads, going all the way back to January.
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Post by londonmzfitz on Oct 24, 2016 8:30:37 GMT
Wow, lots of posts since I last looked, all went a bit dotty didn't it.
I have been looking at polls, there is a dedicated news channel on Sky running stories on the election which I've been looking at, and the programmes on UK channels on Trump/Clinton. I would like to think I'm pretty much up to date on the latest on the election. I do think there are Trump voters who have been behind him from the start, have been very vocal about voting for him and are now finding themselves with egg on their face but unwilling to admit it.
I've spent a lot of the weekend watching old West Wing episodes. Classy classy stuff - oh that this election could compare.
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Post by Hamilton Addict on Oct 24, 2016 8:37:29 GMT
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Post by DuchessConstance on Oct 24, 2016 8:42:54 GMT
Wow a Trump troll on a UK theatre message board! Who knew?
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Post by Hamilton Addict on Oct 24, 2016 8:47:23 GMT
Wow a pro-rape women-hating Trump troll on a UK theatre message board! Who knew? How does someone like that end up on a London theatre forum?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 24, 2016 9:12:59 GMT
Wow a pro-rape women-hating Trump troll on a UK theatre message board! Who knew? How does someone like that end up on a London theatre forum? UK theatre forum please!
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Post by Hamilton Addict on Oct 24, 2016 9:45:53 GMT
How does someone like that end up on a London UK theatre forum? UK theatre forum please! Ahhh yes, typed my post up quickly and didn't think about what I was writing, sorry for the error. I miss the good old days when we could edit our posts with no cut-off point.
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Post by Michael on Oct 24, 2016 17:03:54 GMT
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Post by Phantom of London on Oct 24, 2016 17:36:55 GMT
What has been rigged this week?
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Post by londonmzfitz on Oct 25, 2016 12:00:44 GMT
Can't accuse him of using long words, eh? Dumb + Clown seem to be popular words.
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Post by Michael on Oct 25, 2016 12:16:25 GMT
Dumb + Clown seem to be popular words. I thought it was crooked...
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Post by londonmzfitz on Oct 25, 2016 13:05:02 GMT
Dumb + Clown seem to be popular words. I thought it was crooked... Figured he was looking in a mirror. The Dumb Clown. (He got a mention in School of Rock last night, to many titters from the audience)
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Post by kathryn on Oct 25, 2016 14:10:23 GMT
I thought it was crooked... Figured he was looking in a mirror. The Dumb Clown. (He got a mention in School of Rock last night, to many titters from the audience) Heh. Have Avenue Q finally found a replacement for the 'George Bush' line?
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Post by londonmzfitz on Oct 26, 2016 16:09:52 GMT
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Post by Michael on Oct 26, 2016 17:36:45 GMT
Heh. Have Avenue Q finally found a replacement for the 'George Bush' line? Has anyone recently seen Avenue Q on Broadway? Do they actually say "Donald Trump is only for now!"?
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Post by Michael on Oct 28, 2016 6:07:11 GMT
Maybe I'm the only one, but the more I see and hear from Michelle Obama, the more I think she'd be a better president than Hillary.
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Post by Jan on Oct 28, 2016 19:17:21 GMT
Maybe I'm the only one, but the more I see and hear from Michelle Obama, the more I think she'd be a better president than Hillary. Almost anyone would be. Almost. I see the FBI have re-opened their inquiry into her, about time.
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Post by Honoured Guest on Oct 29, 2016 8:54:38 GMT
Almost anyone would be. Almost. I see the FBI have re-opened their inquiry into her, about time. The news report says that it's a new inquiry into another batch of emails, so no inquiry has been re-opened.
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Post by vdcni on Oct 29, 2016 9:04:52 GMT
None of the emails are to or from Clinton, they weren't on her private server and they may just be duplicates of one's they've already seen.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Oct 29, 2016 10:25:36 GMT
The FBI guy appears to be in a lot of trouble having done this; just checking up on US news sites and it's more likely naivety on his part rather than corruption intended to affect the election but he should have realised how a lack of detail meant that it would be blown up out of all proportion and mischaracterised. There is only a tiny sliver of a chance it will affect matters but he's probably sweating nervously now that it won't.
As a side issue it's scary to see how the global economy is tied to the election, the Dow Jones started to tank as this was mentioned. Imagine what freefall we'll be put into if Trump did somehow win.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Oct 29, 2016 10:29:55 GMT
Almost anyone would be. Almost. I see the FBI have re-opened their inquiry into her, about time. The news report says that it's a new inquiry into another batch of emails, so no inquiry has been re-opened. In fact they are now suggesting that they are likely to be duplicates of ones already known about and that they haven't actually checked. That's a pretty shocking admission, given where we are.
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Post by Jan on Oct 29, 2016 11:16:10 GMT
It is useful to translate what we know from the leaked emails into UK political terms. This is from emails which have already been admitted to be genuine and as reported in the Wall Street Journal.
Boris Johnson is Foreign Secretary. Let's say he also has a charity. Someone employed by that charity approaches British Airways and asks them to donate £3 million to the charity and separately but at the same time directly employ Boris' wife as a consultant for a personal payment to her of £3 million. British Airways then pays both of those amounts.
What would you think of that ? What would BA shareholders and competitors think of that - what were BA expecting in return (if anything) ? What would Jeremy Corbyn think of that ?
Substitute Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton and Coca Cola and that is exactly what happened. It happened with other companies too. Do you think Boris would a) Have to resign immediately or b) Become Prime Minister anyway ?
To be fair the single voice raised against this inside the Clinton machine was by Chelsea Clinton who characterised it as "hustling" and drew a lot of negative comments as a result.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 11:23:17 GMT
Almost anyone would be. Almost. I see the FBI have re-opened their inquiry into her, about time. The news report says that it's a new inquiry into another batch of emails, so no inquiry has been re-opened. Oh good, because yet another new investigation sounds a lot better
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 11:24:10 GMT
None of the emails are to or from Clinton, they weren't on her private server and they may just be duplicates of one's they've already seen. The FBI are not morons. They're not going to open an investigation into duplicates.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Oct 29, 2016 11:27:25 GMT
Fine as long as firms making such donations aren't prioritised. That's normal politics (for the US especially), I don't like lobbying myself but it's the whole system that is an issue not any individual.
On the other hand you have Trump whose business dealings are so murky that we are onto something very different and very dark indeed. There is no equivalence.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 11:32:10 GMT
The FBI guy appears to be in a lot of trouble having done this; just checking up on US news sites and it's more likely naivety on his part rather than corruption intended to affect the election but he should have realised how a lack of detail meant that it would be blown up out of all proportion and mischaracterised. There is only a tiny sliver of a chance it will affect matters but he's probably sweating nervously now that it won't. As a side issue it's scary to see how the global economy is tied to the election, the Dow Jones started to tank as this was mentioned. Imagine what freefall we'll be put into if Trump did somehow win. The FBI isn't trying to influence the election. At least not against Clinton. If that was the case they would have recommended an indictment a few months ago, when they clearly should have. They listed a bunch of things she had done wrong. They confirmed that some of those e-mails contained classified information, which means Clinton had committed a crime. And then at the end of that speech they said despite all of that they were not going to indict her. They were extremely generous to her by not indicting her then. They could have ended her campaign right then and there. Why would you assume that that person is against Clinton when he basically gave her a get out of jail free card a few months ago? Either because he genuinely believes this new information needs further investigation, or because the Clinton campaign had something on him then to leverage him into letting her off the hook, but now he has something more serious on her. I know the last one sound like a conspiracy theory, which is why I still believe that it's the first and James Comey genuinely thinks the new information is serious enough to justify reopening the investigation.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Oct 29, 2016 11:34:42 GMT
None of the emails are to or from Clinton, they weren't on her private server and they may just be duplicates of one's they've already seen. The FBI are not morons. They're not going to open an investigation into duplicates. "Officials familiar with the inquiry said it was too early to assess the significance of the newly discovered emails. It is possible, they said, that some or all of the correspondence is duplicative of the emails that were already turned over and examined by the FBI. Comey made a similar point in his letter, sent to congressional committee chairmen, saying that the FBI “cannot yet assess whether or not this material may be significant.” They are obligated to report this but they don't know what is in them themselves, as they haven't studied them. If you think that they are investigating because of what is in them then you have been misled. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fbi-to-conduct-new-investigation-of-emails-from-clintons-private-server/2016/10/28/0b1e9468-9d31-11e6-9980-50913d68eacb_story.html
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