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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Sept 24, 2016 10:10:11 GMT
I find that calling thick and racist people thick and racist tends to get them annoyed. It's a win-win situation. On the other hand I feel sorry for politicians who are supposed to treat them nicely, despite that. You think calling people thick is OK ? From my observations a lot of Trump supporters at the rallies seem to be fat too, so why not call them fat, thick and racist. Maybe calling them uneducated would be better ? It's the first TV presidential debate on Monday. Almost ANYTHING could happen. Good fun. I was quoting another poster who was linked to and reflecting their choice of words, they weren't originally mine. Whatever term you want to use, people such as those the Daily Show found deserve to be called something.
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Post by londonmzfitz on Sept 24, 2016 13:38:53 GMT
Funny but depressing.
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Post by whygodwhytoday on Sept 24, 2016 14:32:42 GMT
Both of the nominations have ardent fans who are good for a chuckle. Does anyone remember seeing this video when it went viral?
"She's from Europe..."
We never had it quite this dramatic for Brexit, apart from Izzard vs Farage on QT.
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Post by ldm2016 on Sept 26, 2016 8:24:22 GMT
If anyone thinks that voting for this guy is okay, you are beneath contempt. Whether it's because you want to 'send a message', just for laughs or if you are a closet bigot, you are all beneath contempt. There is no equivalence with Clinton who, whilst she may have been beaten by a different candidate, is well behind him in the fields of corruption, lying and so on. No equivalence whatsoever. And why do they harbour such views?
If you call them bigoted you're not solving the problem, just galvanising their opinion.
Such blindness - that everyone who disagrees with the Liberal elite is wrong - is why UKIP had their success and why the UK us leaving the EU.
As I said above, people have concerns for a reason....
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Post by ldm2016 on Sept 26, 2016 8:26:24 GMT
I find that calling thick and racist people thick and racist tends to get them annoyed. It's a win-win situation. On the other hand I feel sorry for politicians who are supposed to treat them nicely, despite that. It doesn't get them annoyed. It galvanises them.
And mislabelling people racist for expressing concerns about mass immigration is ridiculous and makes the accuser look like a bit of a dick.
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Post by Phantom of London on Sept 26, 2016 10:10:39 GMT
Trump supporters are fat, thick and racist.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 10:15:51 GMT
*Some* Trump supporters are fat, thick, and racist. I'd move to drop "fat" though, as being thick and/or racist will have a direct effect on your political views, but your body shape or size will only have an indirect effect at best or, more likely, will have no real effect at all. Also, putting the descriptor "fat" next to pejoratives like "thick" and "racist" has the side effect of making fat look like an extremely negative thing to be, and if you're happy to be a fat-shamer, then that puts you firmly on the thick and racist side of the "naughty-to-nice" spectrum.
For clarity: if you use "fat" as an insult, you're an asshole.
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Post by ldm2016 on Sept 26, 2016 11:29:46 GMT
Trump supporters are fat, thick and racist. And so are UKIP voters.... oh, and brexit voters......
They're fat, thick and racist too aren't they but UKIP is the third party now and we're leaving the EU too... but that's what they were always told pre-election/referendum... They got what they wanted, the Generation Snowflake marchers for Europe didn't
Wondering when the penny will drop with people like you that insults have no place in politics and will NOT have the desired effect... If you don't want Trump (if you're eligible to vote) or a Conservative landslide victory in 2020 I suspect you're going to have to change your approach...
People have opinions which differ from you for a number of reasons... LISTEN, READ, THINK, COMMUNICATE.
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Post by perfectspy on Sept 26, 2016 15:26:52 GMT
If Trump wins and starts waging war all over the world. I hope Theresa May puts two fingers up to the "special relationship" and leaves him to it. Hilary supported the war in Iraq........Trump didn't.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Sept 26, 2016 15:45:47 GMT
I find that calling thick and racist people thick and racist tends to get them annoyed. It's a win-win situation. On the other hand I feel sorry for politicians who are supposed to treat them nicely, despite that. It doesn't get them annoyed. It galvanises them.
And mislabelling people racist for expressing concerns about mass immigration is ridiculous and makes the accuser look like a bit of a dick.
You really should read the whole thread for context - first, not my words, second I said some not all (putting a number on it, around 10%). We've been here before, at different times and places. Trying to be nice to this group and understanding their concerns is the last thing you should do. Trump is effectively Oswald Mosley and the British knew how to deal with him, I have faith in America that they will do the same. We had a number of blackshirts but, being a primarily conservative nation, they were scorned. The problem with the liberal elite is that they are too nice, thinking everyone just needs a good discussion about the issues. Meanwhile they are missing what is happening beneath their noses.
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Post by Michael on Sept 26, 2016 16:09:52 GMT
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Post by Jan on Sept 26, 2016 17:56:30 GMT
Hillary did not start birtherism, there's some suggestion that some extreme supporters may have been involved at points but generally after she had already conceded the race in 2008 Well her campaign manager in 2008 has admitted that a campaign staffer circulated birther material. Trump has said some wildly offensive things (he's a bit like Berlusconi) and Hillary has made several bad decisions which have resulted in people getting killed. Tough choice.
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Post by foxa on Sept 26, 2016 18:33:42 GMT
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Post by foxa on Sept 26, 2016 18:43:09 GMT
Jan - you aren't American, are you? If you were, I might go to the bother of digging out all the links to clear up a number of misunderstandings/distortions, etc. that you are buying into (and repeat with great confidence.) But as I believe this is just a popcorn eating spectator sport for you, I'll just let you get on with it.
I said I'd leave this topic and now I really will.
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Post by whygodwhytoday on Sept 26, 2016 22:11:52 GMT
Who is watching the debate tonight?
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Post by ldm2016 on Sept 27, 2016 7:57:13 GMT
It doesn't get them annoyed. It galvanises them.
And mislabelling people racist for expressing concerns about mass immigration is ridiculous and makes the accuser look like a bit of a dick.
You really should read the whole thread for context - first, not my words, second I said some not all (putting a number on it, around 10%). We've been here before, at different times and places. Trying to be nice to this group and understanding their concerns is the last thing you should do. Trump is effectively Oswald Mosley and the British knew how to deal with him, I have faith in America that they will do the same. We had a number of blackshirts but, being a primarily conservative nation, they were scorned. The problem with the liberal elite is that they are too nice, thinking everyone just needs a good discussion about the issues. Meanwhile they are missing what is happening beneath their noses. "Trump is effectively Oswald Mosley" and this absolutely comical comparison is where I leave...
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Sept 27, 2016 10:11:18 GMT
You really should read the whole thread for context - first, not my words, second I said some not all (putting a number on it, around 10%). We've been here before, at different times and places. Trying to be nice to this group and understanding their concerns is the last thing you should do. Trump is effectively Oswald Mosley and the British knew how to deal with him, I have faith in America that they will do the same. We had a number of blackshirts but, being a primarily conservative nation, they were scorned. The problem with the liberal elite is that they are too nice, thinking everyone just needs a good discussion about the issues. Meanwhile they are missing what is happening beneath their noses. "Trump is effectively Oswald Mosley" and this absolutely comical comparison is where I leave... Seeing as you are as off beam as Trump's terrible debate performance....
Mosley hedged between different parties, came out as a demagogue and racist, tried to ape his idols on the continent and was defeated, vanishing into obscurity. Replace Mosley's idols with Putin and you're pretty much getting a do over; not completely the same but enough to set off alarm bells. As for the thirties being rerun we also seem to have a party mired in accusations of anti-Semitism, although maybe not the same one,
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Post by whygodwhytoday on Sept 27, 2016 12:26:11 GMT
Hillary made Trump look like a 5 year old.
Credit where credit is due.
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Post by 49thand8th on Sept 27, 2016 15:05:48 GMT
She didn't need much help.
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Post by The Matthew on Sept 30, 2016 18:27:23 GMT
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Post by Jan on Sept 30, 2016 19:35:19 GMT
"These women are trash. Nobody's going to believe them"
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Post by joem on Oct 8, 2016 15:29:20 GMT
A plague on both their houses.
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Post by Phantom of London on Oct 8, 2016 18:13:33 GMT
Great to know that Trump isn't just a racist homophobe.
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Post by Jan on Oct 8, 2016 18:18:18 GMT
Great to know that Trump isn't just a racist homophobe. Of course what Trump spoke about doing Bill Clinton actually did and his wife covered up for him. Dismal choice of candidates.
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Post by Phantom of London on Oct 8, 2016 18:23:12 GMT
Of course, in the U.S. The average vacation time is 2 weeks, according to last weeks New York Times, Trump has had one almighty tax holiday.
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Post by Jan on Oct 8, 2016 19:06:40 GMT
Of course what Trump spoke about doing Bill Clinton actually did and his wife covered up for him. Dismal choice of candidates. There is a world of difference. I don't think Bill Clinton is a misogynistic male elitist for a start. Trump has appalling views on women. Uh ? Words are worse than actions ? You don't think that Clinton's abuse of his position as Governor and then President to groom and abuse dozens, perhaps hundreds, of women counts ? That he was closely associated with a subsequently convicted paedophile ? That his wife said "These women are trash - no-one will believed them". That his campaign manager said "These are the sort of women you get if you drag a dollar bill through a trailer park ?". None of that is misogynistic ? Admit it - you don't think that's worse only because he is a Democrat. When Trump says he heard Bill say far worse about women when they used to play golf together it is hard to disbelieve him. And his wife covered it all up for him. Terrible two candidates.
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Post by Michael on Oct 8, 2016 19:20:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 19:28:39 GMT
"Make America grope again"
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Post by loureviews on Oct 9, 2016 7:23:39 GMT
Not just the appalling comments about women in general, but what he has said about his own daughter - Trump is a truly charming individual.
I don’t get how he has a following of rich and micro-celebrity women. Jon Voight and Pat Boone are sad Republican nut jobs so no surprise there, but the Trumpette/Real Women for Trump movement. Ugh.
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Post by Honoured Guest on Oct 9, 2016 8:35:27 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if it's not decided between these two in an election.
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