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Post by d'James on Apr 3, 2017 16:27:51 GMT
Yeah. It's what's stopping me being a 'fan' of hers. For me to be a fan of anyone, I need to like their personality and she's doing everything to put me off her. It's a shame because her voice is glorious but fuxake Cynthia, put the phone down (also applicable for Russell Crowe ten years ago).
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Post by poster J on Apr 3, 2017 21:45:58 GMT
I agree - everyone's entitled to free speech of course, and I've defended her in the past because sometimes she has used twitter to good effect for worthy causes. But I've been put off recently by all the tweets that do come across as bragging.
It's a shame, because she's hugely talented and the Tony and Grammy were well deserved, and she seemed much more down to earth when I met her than the ego she seems to be developing on social media...
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Post by d'James on Apr 3, 2017 21:56:13 GMT
'. . . but that Tony on my desk begs to differ . . .'
She's still going now. By replying she just draws more attention.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 9:42:44 GMT
Wow
I remember the last time this thread was very active when Ms Erivo was being called 'entitled'. I felt a bit uncomfortable then but these latest broadsides are unpleasant. In my opinion there's a nasty underlying thread of racism and sexism to what's being said. It seems very much that Ms Erivo is not allowed a voice and God forbid she express an opinion. The quite vile attacks she has been getting from people on Twitter who are supposedly 'fans' of Beyonce is an embarrassment but not the issue at hand here.
So let's look at what happened, in response to an article that said Beyonce was being 'eyed' for a role in The Lion King live action update, please note 'eyed' not offered, not auditioning, not certain, Ms Erivo tweeted next to an emoji that looks like a shy face ( I can't tell my eyesight is pretty bad!) 'raises hand nervously, then says, can I try'. Unless I'm missing something major, what is so desperate, begging and offensive about this? Where does Ms Erivo attack Beyonce and say the part is hers or call Beyonce out for not having the abilities or talent for the role? As Ms Erivo is known for supporting other people of colour and especially women I am struggling to see her misdemeanour. Or is she just meant to sit at home doing crochet waiting for all those people with decent mature roles for black women to pop around and offer them to her? She will then have her pick of hookers, judges and sassy best friends. Isn't she lucky??
So as I said before, these alleged 'fans' of Beyonce saw the heinous quote and responded by calling Ms Erivo a heifer, a bitch, a no talent, an unknown, someone who hadn't paid her dues. So mature, so empowering. So much what Beyonce and Ms Erivo both preach about. Ms Erivo cited her awards and achievements and of course now gets slated for bragging and having an unpleasant personality. It does seem a bit heads you lose, tails you lose when you consider it but that is often the case in the entertainment industry when you are a person of colour.
From what I'm reading here, despite her undoubted talents Ms Erivo is 'putting people off' which is a 'shame', I hope people are aware that by placing the blame back on the source and shaming her for having an opinion they are not looking at their own prejudices and examining their reactions. Most people of colour know that expressing an opinion, any opinion is often labelled as 'aggressive' or followed up with the classic 'you seem angry'. Really? You haven't allowed me a voice as a woman or a person of colour for centuries so now every time I speak I am perceived as causing problems. Maybe you need to think about that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 10:11:51 GMT
No. I would have the exact same reaction if Ben Platt won a Tony and a Grammy and then started tweeting like that. Nothing to do with race or gender. In fact, I'd be more likely to excuse it for a woman, especially a woman of colour, as I understand how hard it can be to succeed in the entertainment industry for them.
However, there comes a point when it goes beyond having a voice and becomes immaturity and unprofessionalism. If this was the first role Cynthia had openly asked for on Twitter then that's one thing, but she's been doing it fairly often. It's harmless enough, I'm more concerned for her sake as I don't think it's the way the industry works. She'd actually be great as Nala but is the casting director for The Lion King going to want to cast her now she's spent the whole day arguing with Beyonce megafans on Twitter? She'd have fared much better talking to her agent and seeing if she could get an audition for the role.
I don't excuse the comments the Beyonce fans have made to her at all, some of them are disgusting. But it's not a good reflection on Cynthia to retaliate by bragging about all the awards she has. It wasn't that long ago she was in I Can't Sing for goodness sake. She has talent absolutely, a lot of it, but luck has come into play for her too. There are plenty of people as talented as her that never get their big break and if they hadn't have decided to revive The Color Purple on Broadway, she'd likely still be looking for hers.
When anyone starts a job they are asked to reflect the company by thinking about what they're posting on social media. Cynthia's company is essentially herself, and tweets like these don't reflect well on her as a performer. When she's losing fans, it will eventually effect how much people want to cast her. She seems to want to work in film and that's great, but she's no household name and has no box office appeal. People wont take chances on her if they think they'll have to risk working with someone that argues with potential moviegoers on Twitter.
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Post by poster J on Apr 4, 2017 12:43:31 GMT
I was going to respond in much more detail but snutte already said it perfectly.
I take huge offence to being essentially labelled racist and sexist because I happen not to like a woman of colour's attitude on social media. If you'd actually bothered to read the posts on here properly then you'd realise that what people are actually taking issue with is her repeated bragging about the roles she has done, which comes across as if she thinks she's better than others because of it. I recognised that she is talented, but that alone isn't enough, as many talented performers know all too well. I make no apologies for saying that I think her posts in that respect are giving off an impression that doesn't reflect favourably on her. I'd say that about anyone who did the same, so the fact that you extrapolate that to racism and/or sexism without bothering to actually ask about the intention, or whether it would apply to others and not just Cynthia, in a nice way offends me deeply. At no point did I or anyone else say that we condoned anything that so-called fans of Beyonce have said to Cynthia online, so stop making assumptions.
There's a huge difference between making racist remarks and challenging someone (regardless of their skin colour or gender) for actions you think are unsavoury, demeaning to others or just unnecessarily boastful, and you appear not to have appreciated that.
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Post by emicardiff on Apr 4, 2017 14:04:05 GMT
Probably against my better judgement but I feel compelled to add in something here- it gets really wearing when 'not being a racist' translates as 'don't dare say anything negative about a person of colour'
I have loved Cynthia's performances that I've seen, but I too find her social media persona somewhat grating. I saw the exchange last night as it happened and thought at the time 'Oh calm down Cynthia'- I didn't object to her initial tweet about being Nala so much, but the responses, and the fact it went on and IMO went a bit far in terms of 'going after' individuals, wasn't nice. Now everyone is entitled to a bad day, and I sure as hell am guilty of ranting and snapping on social media. But equally we're all entitled to have an opinion on people's social media persona. And my opinion of Cynthia is that increasingly I don't warm to her as a person. And that is NOT a racist comment, I'm entitled to, as is anyone else say 'I'm not keen on x person because of y'.
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Post by theatremadness on Apr 4, 2017 14:25:48 GMT
I also have now begun to find her quite an unlikable person, due only to her social media presence, and I've just unfollowed her on twitter (like she cares!). This has NOTHING to do with her gender or the colour of her skin, I just find her cringe-worthy and a case study into how not to behave on twitter as a performer. Obviously this doesn't excuse the rather extreme insults that get thrown on her, but it's her way of dealing with them that I also don't want to see. She involves EVERYONE in all of her arguments by not just replying, but quoting the tweet for all to see - which I, personally, don't want to. She may see it as defending herself, but she comes across as incredibly self-entitled and 'holier-than-thou'.
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Post by Baemax on Apr 4, 2017 14:48:56 GMT
I appreciate that women of colour find people coming down a lot harder on them than other social groups, but let's be fair, we as a board are pretty down on Carrie Hope Fletcher's social media persona as well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 14:55:34 GMT
I appreciate that women of colour find people coming down a lot harder on them than other social groups, but let's be fair, we as a board are pretty down on Carrie Hope Fletcher's social media persona as well. Haha I actually was debating whether to post about Cynthia but then thought about how people talk about Carrie and thought it would be fine.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 14:49:12 GMT
People need to stop worrying about Cynthia and her Twitter account and start concentrating on who picks her clothes and what drugs they're on.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Apr 7, 2017 15:00:21 GMT
People need to stop worrying about Cynthia and her Twitter account and start concentrating on who picks her clothes and what drugs they're on. Oh my God, that thing she wore at the Tonys last year was just hideous. She looked exactly like a rusty coffee pot
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 15:04:26 GMT
People need to stop worrying about Cynthia and her Twitter account and start concentrating on who picks her clothes and what drugs they're on. Oh my God, that thing she wore at the Tonys last year was just hideous. She looked exactly like a rusty coffee pot Seriously, just thinking about her wardrobe gives me a migraine. God knows what it could do to you if you had to look at it every day. That monstrosity she wore to the Tonys last year looked like she'd been shredded on her way through a Bacofoil factory during a staff paintball event.
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Post by lifewithkirsty on Apr 7, 2017 19:27:41 GMT
I'm so glad I happened upon this thread and see I'm not the only one who feels this way! I was a big big fan of cynthia I think I've probably seen her in everything she's done since sister act.. I travelled to NY to see her twice and she follows me on twitter. To me her personality has completed changed she has obviously had a big change in circumstance she is very famous now and has won numerous awards (which she doesn't mind boasting about) her quote tweeting arguments and "I'm always in the right mentality" have become so frustrating that I've now unfollowed her. It's disappointing because I still think she is hugely talented but it's difficult to support someone who you dislike personality wise. 😐
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Post by d'James on Apr 29, 2017 16:49:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 17:25:34 GMT
She's already added it to her Twitter bio. I'm sure this will do wonders for keeping that ego in check.
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Post by d'James on Apr 29, 2017 17:36:56 GMT
Is it a coincidence that EGOT is ego to a t?!
I'm surprised her 'people' haven't told her that she already has the O somehow.
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Post by theatremadness on Apr 29, 2017 18:18:19 GMT
Hm. Originally, it was stated the award went to the TV show that hosted the performance, in this case the Today show. And now, according to the tweet embedded in the BroadwayWorld article, both the show and Cynthia receive the award. "Already discussed and solved with my team. We both do Xx" - as in receive the award. I wonder how that "discussion" went down. And to list them all in her biography? Do me a favour.
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Post by poster J on May 1, 2017 16:51:29 GMT
So does that mean the whole cast who performed with her get one as well? She didn't do a solo on that show, the rest of the cast were there aside from Jennifer Hudson and Danielle Brooks...
I don't blame her in the slightest for all the shameless self-promotion, that's clearly what you have to do to move upwards in the celeb world if that's your goal, but I can't help but feel that the EGOT or part thereof has a bit more meaning when performers have won the different awards for different roles and not all for the same one...
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 17:50:39 GMT
So does that mean the whole cast who performed with her get one as well? She didn't do a solo on that show, the rest of the cast were there aside from Jennifer Hudson and Danielle Brooks... I don't blame her in the slightest for all the shameless self-promotion, that's clearly what you have to do to move upwards in the celeb world if that's your goal, but I can't help but feel that the EGOT or part thereof has a bit more meaning when performers have won the different awards for different roles and not all for the same one... I believe it's only Cynthia as she is the 'principal' vocalist of the performance. I actually don't think it's necessary to do that much self-promotion, or at least not to be as blatant about it. I'm just imagining how much people would have kicked off if Lin-Manuel Miranda had spent 2016 retweeting every bit of praise he got or retweeting 10 different articles about him winning the same award. He worked his way up flawlessly, schmoozed with all the celebrities, did every bit of press he could, but there was never a moment I thought 'shut up about how great you are' like I am doing with Cynthia. It could have a negative effect if she campaigns this hard for an Oscar, being so obviously desperate really hurt Anne Hathaway's career since she won for example. And yes I'm not sure how proud you can be of winning an Emmy for singing a song but each to their own.
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Post by princeton on May 1, 2017 18:37:06 GMT
And it's a Daytime Emmy not a Primetime Emmy - well no it's actually a Daytime Creative Arts Emmy award which are usually given to the "men and women that work behind the scenes". However in this case it's an award that was introduced last year and according to the Emmy site "The Award recognizes the work of the Principle Artist and the Program’s production of the performance" And on this year's press release (page 23) it says: cdn.emmyonline.org/day_44th_winners_creative.pdfOutstanding On-Camera Musical Performance in a Daytime Program - Cynthia Erivo and the Cast of The Color Purple - Today Show NBC So I guess she's right - it is for her as well as the programme. Whether she should have been so snarky in her tweets - and have added it so quickly to her twitter bio are probably a matter of taste and ego - of which she has the latter in spades and the former........
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Post by d'James on Jul 12, 2017 13:42:11 GMT
More drama on Twitter. For the most part I'm on her side, I just don't like her way of talking to people in general, not particularly the one she was back and forth against - neither of them would let it go. I don't like it when people quote posts which will obviously have the effect of their fans ganging up on the person quoted.
She's certainly still dividing opinions. What are other people's opinions on it?
(I should say, I've never seen Hercules so I can't comment on the role suggested.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 14:06:52 GMT
Oh God love Cynthia. She's got Dean John-Wilson and those delightful pecs at home and she spends most of her time firing off tweets like Donald Trump after a midnight snack. It's a world gone mad.
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Post by michalnowicki on Jul 12, 2017 14:19:03 GMT
Looks like she's got a lot of spare time to tweet so much... I'd rather focus on her stage performances, than her twitter rants.
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Post by poster J on Jul 12, 2017 14:23:18 GMT
More drama on Twitter. For the most part I'm on her side, I just don't like her way of talking to people in general, not particularly the one she was back and forth against - neither of them would let it go. I don't like it when people quote posts which will obviously have the effect of their fans ganging up on the person quoted. She's certainly still dividing opinions. What are other people's opinions on it? (I should say, I've never seen Hercules so I can't comment on the role suggested.) I think my feelings can be summed up by the fact I unfollowed her on twitter a while ago...! I thought she was fabulous in TCP and loved her concert earlier in the year, but I'm afraid I've found her increasingly irritating since - a bit of a sense of entitlement/slight boastfulness or superiority appears to have crept in which I don't like. It's a shame, because in debates on major issues I often agree with her, but I have a problem with how she gets her point across sometimes, it's a bit too abrasive and can come across as boastful.
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Post by d'James on Jul 12, 2017 14:28:18 GMT
I'm so conflicted because I agree with what she says about being confident and assertive but I feel she often goes beyond confident. It's like with tennis players, it's great for them to say they played well, but if they started going on about the Grand Slams they've won it'd be too much. I genuinely want to give her the benefit of the doubt and that it's the written word coming across badly but I watched a video of her telling people to donate to something and she didn't come across well in that either. I didn't quite understand who she was talking to though.
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Post by Baemax on Jul 12, 2017 14:32:14 GMT
Oh it's a toughie. If I'm just looking at what she's saying, I agree with every single word of it. However she goes about saying these things in a very aggressive fashion.
There's something really unpleasantly public about using the quote-tweet function to have a disagreement-based conversation. If I were tweeting directly to, say, Ryan (hi, Ryan) then only people who followed both of us would see the conversation. If I used the quote-tweet function, then not only would everyone who followed me whether they knew Ryan or not see our conversation, it's also sort of... framed, in a way, like I'm not just replying to him, but like I'm also saying "look at this, guys! Get a load of what this guy said to me!".
It's unpleasantly reminiscent of other famous names (R*cky G*rvais, among others) purposefully dragging someone's tweet up to a level of super-prominence, knowing it would encourage their millions of followers to have a pile on, and the way she does it for seemingly every tweet from this Luke fellow (especially as it's clear without having to click anything that certain of the Erivo faithful have indeed taken it upon themselves to join the pile on) is... it just doesn't sit easy with me.
There are three named speaking female non-Muse roles in Hercules. If one has already dreamcast someone else as Meg, you're down to Hera and Alcmene, both of which are much smaller roles than those of the Muses, though at least stand out as individuals in the way the Muses don't? Anyway, they should probably be played by someone older than Ms Erivo, though you could make a case for Hera being an immortal and thus ageless, I suppose.
I don't know. Dialling it back to just what she's saying, she's got a lot of extremely valid points, I just find the way she's stating them aggressive. And then that leaves me worrying that if perhaps we're perceiving aggression due to her skin tone, as perception of aggression is something that is a genuine concern for people who are darker-skinned than I am (for reference: a bottle of milk is darker-skinned than I am). But then I try to imagine, say, TheatreBoard's own mascot Carrie Hope Fletcher carrying on in such a way, and I wouldn't feel at all bad about calling her aggressive and conceited for using her platform to reject her fans in such a sustained fashion. BUT THEN Carrie Hope Fletcher hasn't been brought up in a society that perceives her as aggressive purely because of her skin tone so wouldn't have felt the need to stop caring about what people say about her in quite the same way as Cynthia Erivo clearly has, so it really would be down to her own inbuilt aggression with no element of racial or societal influence.
I don't know where I'm going with this. I have never interacted with Cynthia Erivo on Twitter and because of the way she is I never will, though because I'm only human I will of course check in and have a look at what she's been saying this time whenever this thread sticks its head up.
She would be an EXCELLENT Muse though. She's absolutely got the talent to really make it into a proper supporting role, not just a glorified mini-ensemble part. And yeah, maybe she should be getting great leading roles that call for talent above skin colour, but that doesn't mean she would consequently make a *terrible* Muse in a fan's *dreamcast* for heaven's sake.
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Post by d'James on Jul 12, 2017 15:04:09 GMT
Yes, Baemax, that's what I was trying to say, but you said it better. For what it's worth, I've followed her on Twitter since the Sister Act days and back then she was so lovely. Since then she's obviously got older, had a tonne of success extremely quickly so she was bound to change a bit. In the original tweet (which wasn't from that Luke person), I think there possibly was unintentional/unconscious racism, but the person who tweeted is has since clarified that the character he was suggesting for her was his favourite. Of course, that could be back-pedalling after seeing the reactions.
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Post by theatremadness on Jul 12, 2017 15:16:25 GMT
I unfollowed her ages ago, but saw her little exchange about this. I just absolutely detest the way she speaks to her fans. She comes across that she sees herself so far above everyone, that she's going God's work here for us mere mortals on Earth and it feels as if she has absolutely no gratitude and that the world owes her everything as she's giving us her talent. I've never been a Cynthia "superfan" but I've seen her in a multitude of shows, including one of her first, Umbrellas of Cherbourg, and of course I was very impressed, but now I actually feel like I want to actively avoid productions she's in from now on. Her success her certainly gone very much to her head, and there really is no excuse for it as her fame is rather mild, but I think someone in her "team" needs to have a word. I wonder what she's like to work with.
I admit that I'm sure it all probably stems from a place of real struggle, but I just feel like she shouts "racist" and "sexist" as quickly as she can so her followers can pounce. I feel it dilutes her sometimes valid points because she treats those who send abuse the same as those who send her compliments, but then the compliments don't meet her own self-inflated opinions of herself. It means I look and go "oh here she goes again", when she could be totally in the right, but her aggressiveness towards *anyone* who doesn't completely and utterly pander to her ego - and even those who do - a kid put her in his dream cast for crying out loud! - means I stop listening to her completely because it becomes very tedious after a while. I mean, like she cares, but her social media presence just really, *really* grinds my gears.
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Post by Baemax on Jul 12, 2017 15:33:56 GMT
Yeah, obviously no one knows better than Cynthia Erivo just how much Cynthia Erivo has been affected by racism and sexism though her life, and it's always worth remembering that the boy who cried wolf was eaten by a wolf (or at least his sheep were, depending on which version you're reading). And the very very last thing I would *ever* want to do is suggest that another woman shouldn't be using her platform or her voice. But even so.........
(Is it bad that I have no memory whatsoever of her being in Umbrellas of Cherbourg?)
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