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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 10:51:54 GMT
^^ Exactly, and if it’s left open we end up with people having discussion about the show (not the spoiler) in two different threads which is why I’m locking it after the result is broadcast. But there are posts in the spoiler thread that people might want to respond to after broadcast that you then can't quote if it's locked, so it does kill the discussion a bit. Personally I think it's a bit overkill to lock it at all, we're all adults here and it feels like being treated as a child, but if you must do so then please don't do it until Monday! Thank you, poster J. That was the point I was trying to make... Last week I commented on something another poster had said in the spoiler thread but there was no chance for them (or others) to discuss (even if they'd felt inclined to!) because it was closed down unusually quickly after the results show broadcast. Over zealous IMO. I can understand a Monday morning closure but some people actually record the results show and watch it later on Sunday evening... Anyway, I thought the whole show last night was excellent. Superb opening! Those pros really are summat else! Great to hear all those tunes. And even the costumes seemed better (with the exception of Alexandra's... )
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Post by Tibidabo on Dec 3, 2017 11:11:32 GMT
I'm sure there was a week when the posts from the spoiler thread got transferred over to the main Strictly thread after the results show. Maybe that could be a good compromise if it's not too time consuming for the mods?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 3, 2017 11:21:45 GMT
Sorry I can’t guarantee I’ll be available to do this at very specific times. It was locked very quickly last week because I had other things going on that evening and early Monday morning. Moving posts from one thread to another isn’t ideal because they slot into the new thread in date/time order and can disrupt the flow of the discussion.
However no bother, if it’s not helping I’ll leave it completely alone from now on.
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Post by poster J on Dec 3, 2017 12:33:52 GMT
Sorry I can’t guarantee I’ll be available to do this at very specific times. It was locked very quickly last week because I had other things going on that evening and early Monday morning. Moving posts from one thread to another isn’t ideal because they slot into the new thread in date/time order and can disrupt the flow of the discussion. However no bother, if it’s not helping I’ll leave it completely alone from now on. No-one has said you need to be available to do it at a "very specific" time... All we're asking for is a bit of a chance to have the type of discussion that is the whole purpose of an online forum. I don't think anyone would mind if it was closed at some point on a Monday, but Sunday night is a bit too soon. And we can all read the two threads if we want to anyway if you're not able to close it until later. There's no risk of coming across a spoiler after the broadcast. I have to admit I just found it a bit strange that the thread was locked in the first place as you mods usually just let us all get on with posting unless something really kicks off.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 3, 2017 13:09:47 GMT
Monday morning is quite specific isn’t it? It was locked because it was creating a moderation job to move the non spoiler related posts into the main thread, so that we dont have two threads about the same subject running concurrently. But if you all don’t mind that then it’s no problem.
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Post by Tibidabo on Dec 3, 2017 14:41:58 GMT
Completely forgot to mention - I got a bit excited...could the fact that they showed Richard Hammond in the audience possibly mean........could it...?
(Someone's now probably going to come on here and tell me that he's Mollie's best friend or something.)
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Post by poster J on Dec 3, 2017 14:55:19 GMT
Monday morning is quite specific isn’t it? It was locked because it was creating a moderation job to move the non spoiler related posts into the main thread, so that we dont have two threads about the same subject running concurrently. But if you all don’t mind that then it’s no problem. Well for starters I said Monday generally, not Monday morning, and I think the context was pretty clear - it was merely a request for you to let us continue the chat on a Sunday evening and not lock the thread immediately after the show airs as some people don't watch it live. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd have no problem with you locking it from Monday to Saturday!
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Post by ptwest on Dec 3, 2017 15:19:35 GMT
Just caught up with last nights show, and have to say whichever singer sang Memory did so beautifully. It’s become the fashion to start yelling at the “touch me” part of the song. Thought last night was a very tuneful and restrained performance which suited the song beautifully.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 3, 2017 16:06:28 GMT
Monday morning is quite specific isn’t it? It was locked because it was creating a moderation job to move the non spoiler related posts into the main thread, so that we dont have two threads about the same subject running concurrently. But if you all don’t mind that then it’s no problem. Well for starters I said Monday generally, not Monday morning, and I think the context was pretty clear - it was merely a request for you to let us continue the chat on a Sunday evening and not lock the thread immediately after the show airs as some people don't watch it live. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd have no problem with you locking it from Monday to Saturday! Someone else mentioned Monday morning. I think we’ve done this to death now so let’s getback to discussing the programme.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 3, 2017 16:11:58 GMT
I don’t think this series’ musicals episode was as good as previous years and once again I put that down to the general feel of the show not being the same as previous years. The costumes were ok last night although I thought Gemma looked awful with that awful hair-do and I thought it was unbecoming for Debbie to be in cat make up, despite it being in context of the number. Other than that I can’t put my finger on what the problem is. It’s just not the same somehow.
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Post by Tibidabo on Dec 3, 2017 20:02:08 GMT
WHAAAAAATTTTTTT?
Who is voting for Mollie?
Edit: People who read the gossips - is there any 'truth'(?!) in Claudia's hilarious accusations of kissing? I thought it was Gemma and The Gorgeous Gorka who were supposed to be at it? (They are so not, by the way - he's just letting the rumours abound so no one suspects anything when they spot him and me together.)
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Post by lynette on Dec 3, 2017 20:09:22 GMT
Lots of little girls who like her and AJ.
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Post by alece10 on Dec 3, 2017 20:49:57 GMT
Alexandra is one of the better dancers on the show so I can only guess the reason for her being in the dance off twice now is because the public haven't taken to her. Don't think the constant crying, be it real or fake, helps matters much. Now if we were able to vote for Gorka only that would be a different matter entirely.
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Post by Tibidabo on Dec 3, 2017 20:58:49 GMT
Lots of little girls who like her and AJ. Good point - I hadn't thought of that. I can't work out why Gemma hasn't been in the dance off yet - surely she's not coming top of the public vote? I still haven't a clue who she is - a radio presenter for a regional station? That can't give her a massive fan base surely? She must be one of the most forgettable contestants they've ever had. I couldn't tell you one dance she's done, and that includes this week's! I'm calling it and saying it will be between Debbie and Joe (discounting Alex as she's obviously not popular, though I like her well enough) depending on their show dances. Surely Mollie will go next week?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 21:05:26 GMT
Major and long running roles in hollyoaks and emmerdale, hardly just a regional radio presenter
Alexandra has a huge likeability problem which isn't helping her with the public. And yes this is a dance competition, but she's not improved from week one in fact if anything she has got worse. I think there are far more deserving winners. Personally I hope Joe wins
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Post by tonyloco on Dec 3, 2017 21:42:49 GMT
Tibidabo has just mentioned ‘show dances’ but how will be able to distinguish show dances from what have effectively been show dances that most contestants have been doing since week one? And may I join the chorus of astonishment that Gemma is still around, and add a separate suggestion that somebody should remind Tess that she is not a judge so she should limit her comments to the couples after they have danced to generalities and not go into a detailed analysis of how they just danced.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 22:09:27 GMT
Gemma not being in a Dance Off so far is a bit surprising. She has been in Emmerdale fairly recently and was a big Lad's magazine favourite back in the day but it is over a dozen years since she left Hollyoaks. She has 214k Twitter followers whilst the similarly marked Mollie has 923k, so you'd give that advantage to Mollie.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 22:13:11 GMT
Oh dear... Gorka’s face said it all really, when they went to stand by Tess. It must be clear to him that the chances of getting through to the final now, and winning, must be slim, having slipped from top position with the judges to bottom with the voters at home. I’m sure Alexandra’s manner isn’t helping her in the popularity competition that is Strictly. And the “Davood is like a buvver to me...” speech wouldn't have helped her tonight.
The public has to fall in love with more than the dancing, doesn’t it? So with Debbie it’s her difficult past couple of years story, with Joe it’s his cute, rather gauche modesty, with Mollie it’s her is she/isn’t she? saga that’s emerged in the past week or two. I really have no idea why we like Gemma. Aljaz is a huge asset to her of course...
Am I the only one who didn't like the Dreamgirls and the Leading Ladies? Not my thing at all.
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Post by lynette on Dec 3, 2017 22:20:43 GMT
Were they doing a girl power thing with Dreamgirls and Leading Ladies? Nice effort but the dancing was underpowered I thought and the moves very run of the mill. Sorry. Gemma has Aljaz, a big advantage.. bags of personality. But I thought this week she was poor, footwork all over the place. Again, sorry.
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Post by poster J on Dec 4, 2017 0:02:57 GMT
Oh dear... Gorka’s face said it all really, when they went to stand by Tess. It must be clear to him that the chances of getting through to the final now, and winning, must be slim, having slipped from top position with the judges to bottom with the voters at home. I’m sure Alexandra’s manner isn’t helping her in the popularity competition that is Strictly. And the “Davood is like a buvver to me...” speech wouldn't have helped her tonight. The public has to fall in love with more than the dancing, doesn’t it? So with Debbie it’s her difficult past couple of years story, with Joe it’s his cute, rather gauche modesty, with Mollie it’s her is she/isn’t she? saga that’s emerged in the past week or two. I really have no idea why we like Gemma. Aljaz is a huge asset to her of course... Am I the only one who didn't like the Dreamgirls and the Leading Ladies? Not my thing at all. Alexandra might not have been bottom of the public vote, there were two ties on the leaderboard last night so everyone was more vulnerable. I can't see her not making the final - the judges will save her in a dance-off against anyone except possibly Debbie (and that one would turn on the dance alone I suspect, and be a split decision). I agree that the public have to fall in love with more than the dancing, but Alexandra has a story as much as the rest - the poor girl lost her mother the day before they filmed the launch show for goodness' sake. So she's having just as difficult a time as Debbie has been, but for some reason the public seem to think Debbie is wonderful for that while in the same breath vilifying Alexandra for daring to cry on TV. I find the hypocrisy of some of the press coverage and social media posts aimed at Alexandra astonishing (and I say that as someone who thinks she and Debbie are the best dancers, though both are nowhere near as good as some of the best past contestants).
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Post by vdcni on Dec 4, 2017 8:49:18 GMT
The two biggest voting mysteries this year are where has Mollie's vote come from after those two weeks in the dance off and why is Gemma's vote so high in the first place. Yes she's had decent runs in Hollyoaks and Emmerdale but plenty of other soap actors haven't done this well. Is it just the general feeling that Alexandra and Debbie have too much dance experience so people aren't voting for them perhaps.
Alexandra not helped by that terrible outfit - mystifying decision, why not give her something closer to the sequence from the film - and her earnest reaction to everything. I actually like her but she does herself no favours sometimes. Actually I thought her best moment was at the end of her dance in the results show where she screamed yes and looked very pumped up at having nailed it - it felt a more truthful moment than the whole I'm honoured to close the show stuff.
I'm hoping the final will be Alexandra, Debbie, Joe and one of the others - preferably Gemma as she has been the strongest and we won't have to hear anymore about a Mollie/AJ romance.
Oh and this is the point of the show where Tess goes from mildly annoying to a full on pain to listen to - all her oh we thought you were amazing stuff and talking to the couples like they were children.
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Post by TallPaul on Dec 4, 2017 13:42:30 GMT
Someone will correct me now, but I don't remember a female ever wearing a long, Edwardian dress for the Charleston (or a male, for that matter!) It simply wouldn't work with the swivel, would it? So while I agree it was very inappropriate for Mary Poppins, there is, I suspect, method to the BBC's madness.
The prize, however, for the worst outfit on Saturday night surely goes to Claudia.
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Post by vdcni on Dec 4, 2017 14:31:07 GMT
I didn't really mean the length but the colour and those horrible boots.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 15:01:11 GMT
I’ve been doing a bit of detective work... I too thought Alexandra’s outfit did her no favours with her skirt far too short and her brown boots too ugly. (I agree TallPaul that a long Edwardian skirt a la real Mary Poppins would have hindered not helped...) BUT- On Strictly's official website she is seen wearing TWO completely different outfits!!! The first photographs (under It’s Time For The Strictly Quarter Final) must have been taken at the dress rehearsal and looks like this: The longer dress and white boots with brown ankles look far better IMO. (Funnily enough if you Google these are the images you get first.) Compare with her actual outfit on the night (under As Seen On Strictly) and it shows the bottom of the skirt gone (revealing far too much leg) with a trim added to match Gorka’s jacket and those hideous brown shoes: Vicky Gill and her team are going to get a telling off! No, I’m not bored...
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Post by dizzieblonde on Dec 4, 2017 15:24:13 GMT
They also, for reasons unknown, decided to make the sleeves 3/4 length. That, alone, makes the whole top of the outfit look weird, and then you get to the bottom half, and it's a whole different mess! The first shoes should have looked like this (these are the original film's shoes - court shoes with a fabric topping): Giggling Vicky has clearly spent too much time giggling, and not thinking about decent dresses for the show! For most of this series, they have looked like cheap dress-up costumes, instead of the beautiful professional dance outfits they ought to be. The men's trousers are another area I think they've seriously skimped on - no longer well-fitting proper dance pants, but horribly fitted, pocketed (why?!!!) trousers! When you look at series past (Alesha Dixon's dresses were a high point), it's quite depressing!
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Post by alece10 on Dec 4, 2017 15:48:35 GMT
I just thought she had quite manly thighs for a woman.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 15:53:09 GMT
That Vicky Gill is definitely gill-ty of gill-ding the lily...
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Post by lynette on Dec 4, 2017 19:51:56 GMT
I also think the costumes have deteriorated. What is going on?
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Post by dizzieblonde on Dec 4, 2017 20:40:05 GMT
I also think the costumes have deteriorated. What is going on? Much like Joe and Katya's samba this week, it's most likely 'Money, Money'!! It seems dressmaking corners have had to be cut, to pay for all those extra (unnecessary) dancers, the pyrotechnics and set building for every dance! Back in the day, the celebs danced on an empty floor, with no props, almost ever! I'd estimate it started around 5 years ago, when the standard of costuming was trimmed further and further back, probably to cope with sheer costume numbers (increased celeb numbers, more pro dances etc). Now, cheaper fabrics, shoddy embellishments, and poor design are standard. I believe they used to have Su Judd as the costume designer pre-2012, as well as someone else conceptualising a lot of the performances. It's an insane amount of work that they have to do, but it's absolutely clear that the extra costuming they have to do every week - often 2 full pro-numbers, plus multiple guest performer supporting dancers - has meant the standards have slipped from their previous high.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 18:16:21 GMT
When they show some family members in the audience they sometimes mention them in the VT before the dance or during one of the two shows. Sometimes you can work out who it is other times you cannot.
Also when they show celebs some people may not have any clue who they are!
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