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Post by theatre-turtle on Jun 20, 2016 14:21:31 GMT
Anyone up for a group trip to Paris?
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Post by ShoesForRent on Jun 20, 2016 14:33:54 GMT
Anyone up for a group trip to Paris? I am actually looking into how I could afford this but YES!
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Post by indis on Jun 20, 2016 15:05:45 GMT
funny ? for me she is the worst ? happy that i have not booked yet. How long is she staying? Who is her cover?
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Post by 49thand8th on Jun 20, 2016 15:10:51 GMT
Do you think anyone actually knows the answers to those?
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Post by theatre-turtle on Jun 20, 2016 15:13:25 GMT
I think shes a lot better than Sarah Brightman
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Post by indis on Jun 20, 2016 15:44:06 GMT
i think she is massively overrated and i don't get it how she has to be Chritine for every milestone, as if there are no other actresses out there and she is too old for Christine
sometimes i think, without ALW handling her roles, she would not have much to do sometimes O:) i will never get the hype around her isn't she tired of always playing the same role?
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Post by ShoesForRent on Jun 20, 2016 16:09:32 GMT
She is definitely Andrew's sweetheart, and I to was sick of her getting all the big performances. But she's such a lovely person (at least her social media presence is), and I was just listening to the 25th the other day, which led me to watch the 25th again, and she's a sweet Christine too- I couldn't remember why I disliked her portrayal so much the last time I saw it (a few years ago) I still think there are better Christines (both in singing and acting) but she is definitely an exciting choice for me because I never had the chance to see her live before. (BTW I had the exact same thoughts on Ramin and really liked him this time around... it's a hard choice for me between Paris and Phantom to London and Murder Ballad ) But I do understand not liking her- I remember not liking her too. Edit: sadly, I think there isn't too much work for sopranos out there- but I would like to see her getting something new and exciting for her next role
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Post by The Matthew on Jun 20, 2016 16:17:07 GMT
Sierra confirmed. With Andrew boldly stating: "she’s the best, the best Christine certainly" funny ? for me she is the worst ? Don't worry about it. She'll only be the best until the next one comes along.
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Post by indis on Jun 20, 2016 16:29:25 GMT
can't even watch the 25th anniv. DVD with her ,since i saw that, i always call her "Darth Vader" Christine, with all that breathing i can't concentrate on anything other than that while watching this i know she may have been sick, but then her understudy should have played and i heard other audios,where her breathing is also sooo distracting - not even saying anything about her "diction" (is that the english word for it?) If she can't even sing normally in english, do i want to know how her french will sound?
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Post by infofreako on Jun 20, 2016 18:15:22 GMT
Well. I will certainly fit in a trip to Paris
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Post by ShoesForRent on Jun 21, 2016 8:58:32 GMT
Questions: - Anyone know if the blocking/costumes/direction will be the original or the 25th tour inspired? (anyone know what they're doing in Germany in that sense?) -Anyone know French? lol particulrly what this means? (Google translate is not helpful, nor is turning the site english- it just says the same) CARRE OR BARCLAYS Barclays Prestige 250,00 € CARRE OR BARCLAYS Plein Tarif 105,00 € both those prices give me the same seat in the theatre- was wondering what the extra 145 euro is for.. -Anyone ever been to this theatre before (Théâtre Mogador)? is the stage high? (I would assume it might because in the pictures the venue look HUGE, but all top priced give me row B). Is there a stagedoor? -Anyone want to come with? anyway- hope someone knows
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Post by Michael on Jun 21, 2016 9:31:05 GMT
I used to, but still have a rough understanding I've even seen Avenue Q in Paris a few years ago - in French. particulrly what this means? (Google translate is not helpful, nor is turning the site english- it just says the same) CARRE OR BARCLAYS Barclays Prestige 250,00 € CARRE OR BARCLAYS Plein Tarif 105,00 € both those prices give me the same seat in the theatre- was wondering what the extra 145 euro is for.. Here's what I found for Phantom: www.thephantomoftheopera.com/paris/billetterie/offres-prestige/Prestige seems to be a VIP package that includes a personal hostess, parking space, programme, glass (?) of champagne, gourmet snacks in the interval, a souvenir gift and a backstage visit. -Anyone ever been to this theatre before (Théâtre Mogador)? is the stage high? (I would assume it might because in the pictures the venue look HUGE, but all top priced give me row B). Is there a stagedoor? Nope. -Anyone want to come with? I might be interested. anyway- hope someone knows Hope that helps a bit.
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Post by ShoesForRent on Jun 21, 2016 9:45:37 GMT
Thank you so much Michael! I cannot, for the life of me, figure out my way around that website. A backstage tour is intresting, but i can't justify that much money right before the semster start :/ I'm going early/ mid october and if any knows anything about the theatre- do tell!
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Post by viserys on Jun 21, 2016 10:40:36 GMT
The "Carre d'Or" (Golden Quarter) is generally what Premium Seats are here. My guess is that those "Prestige" packages are more aimed at the gentlemen taking their mistresses or even wives out or some business partners.
I've never been at the Mogador as it's owned by Stage Entertainment who use it to recycle the same shows that are done all over Europe, but judging by the photos it's a nice theatre. And obviously it will have a stage door, where else would performers and crews enter. If you want to ask for it, it's "L'entrée des artistes".
One thing you should be aware of in Paris is that ushers expect a tip. When entering the auditorium you will be led to your seats and 1 Euro (per person) is expected as a thank you. If you don't cough up, you'll get pretty rude stares, so have a coin or two ready. It's one of the big mysteries in Parisian theatres but as they say "when in Rome..."
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Post by viserys on Jun 21, 2016 10:50:30 GMT
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Post by ShoesForRent on Jun 21, 2016 11:01:33 GMT
The "Carre d'Or" (Golden Quarter) is generally what Premium Seats are here. My guess is that those "Prestige" packages are more aimed at the gentlemen taking their mistresses or even wives out or some business partners. I've never been at the Mogador as it's owned by Stage Entertainment who use it to recycle the same shows that are done all over Europe, but judging by the photos it's a nice theatre. And obviously it will have a stage door, where else would performers and crews enter. If you want to ask for it, it's "L'entrée des artistes". One thing you should be aware of in Paris is that ushers expect a tip. When entering the auditorium you will be led to your seats and 1 Euro (per person) is expected as a thank you. If you don't cough up, you'll get pretty rude stares, so have a coin or two ready. It's one of the big mysteries in Parisian theatres but as they say "when in Rome..." That's so funny about the ushers. Thank you so much for the tour link (and everything else)- I see it doesn't book until Dec. though I looked at the pictures again- it doesn't look that big, but I do think I'll treat myself to a nice seat upfront for 90 eur. Do you have any tips for the Garnier? i'm thinking of maybe seeing an opera or a ballet there too (to complete the phantom trip ha) and I see they have tickets for 40 eur and under- have you ever been?
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Post by viserys on Jun 21, 2016 11:15:46 GMT
No unfortunately I haven't. Whenever I am in Paris, I end up finding "better" things to do. And by better I don't mean in terms of quality, just in terms of personal preferences - thus musicals. However, having decided to skip Phantom in Paris, I did also decide to join a backstage tour of the Palais Garnier on the same trip (I'm going early December to see the Notre Dame de Paris revival, the two new shows Le Rouge et le Noir and Timeo and thanks to CG on the Loose here on the forum 42nd Street at the Chatelet). Those tours happen daily and you get a good look around, so I think that'll do just fine. You even get an audioguide to listen to in English: www.operadeparis.fr/en/visits/palais-garnier/groups-and-professionals/guided-tours-of-public-areas
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Post by Michael on Jun 21, 2016 11:55:58 GMT
One thing you should be aware of in Paris is that ushers expect a tip. When entering the auditorium you will be led to your seats and 1 Euro (per person) is expected as a thank you. If you don't cough up, you'll get pretty rude stares, so have a coin or two ready. It's one of the big mysteries in Parisian theatres but as they say "when in Rome..." That's so funny about the ushers. Now you're telling me... when I saw Avenue Q at the Theatre Bobino in 2012, I didn't know about this and, thus, didn't tip them. But it's good to know - even though I'm perfectly fine with finding my seat myself (not sure if that's an option though).
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 21, 2016 12:10:05 GMT
i think she is massively overrated and i don't get it how she has to be Chritine for every milestone, as if there are no other actresses out there and she is too old for Christine sometimes i think, without ALW handling her roles, she would not have much to do sometimes O:) i will never get the hype around her isn't she tired of always playing the same role? can't even watch the 25th anniv. DVD with her ,since i saw that, i always call her "Darth Vader" Christine, with all that breathing i can't concentrate on anything other than that while watching this i know she may have been sick, but then her understudy should have played and i heard other audios,where her breathing is also sooo distracting - not even saying anything about her "diction" (is that the english word for it?) If she can't even sing normally in english, do i want to know how her french will sound? I'm getting the impression you're not Sierra's biggest fan then! I wish you you hadn't mentioned the breathing. It's been hard enough trying to take my focus off the 'Swedish' accent
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Post by indis on Jun 21, 2016 15:53:23 GMT
i think she is massively overrated and i don't get it how she has to be Chritine for every milestone, as if there are no other actresses out there and she is too old for Christine sometimes i think, without ALW handling her roles, she would not have much to do sometimes O:) i will never get the hype around her isn't she tired of always playing the same role? can't even watch the 25th anniv. DVD with her ,since i saw that, i always call her "Darth Vader" Christine, with all that breathing i can't concentrate on anything other than that while watching this i know she may have been sick, but then her understudy should have played and i heard other audios,where her breathing is also sooo distracting - not even saying anything about her "diction" (is that the english word for it?) If she can't even sing normally in english, do i want to know how her french will sound? I'm getting the impression you're not Sierra's biggest fan then! I wish you you hadn't mentioned the breathing. It's been hard enough trying to take my focus off the 'Swedish' accent was that really supposed to be a swedish accent? oh goodness, i am fan of some swedish actors/actresses and they def. don't talk like that ))) hahaha it is true, i am not her biggest fan ,you can call it that - not that she is soooooo bad, but she is an "ok"-Christine, nothing overly great - just because she was on the DVD 70% percent of the Phantom-World seems to think she is the only able Christine out there, sooo overrated - there are so many who are better, but don't get the time of day because she can't let go of a role she really is too old for now and i don't get it how you would want to play the same role over and over and over... i for myself would be sick of it, just getting reduced to one role
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Post by bellboard27 on Jun 21, 2016 15:54:36 GMT
The "Carre d'Or" (Golden Quarter) is generally what Premium Seats are here. My guess is that those "Prestige" packages are more aimed at the gentlemen taking their mistresses or even wives out or some business partners. I've never been at the Mogador as it's owned by Stage Entertainment who use it to recycle the same shows that are done all over Europe, but judging by the photos it's a nice theatre. And obviously it will have a stage door, where else would performers and crews enter. If you want to ask for it, it's "L'entrée des artistes". One thing you should be aware of in Paris is that ushers expect a tip. When entering the auditorium you will be led to your seats and 1 Euro (per person) is expected as a thank you. If you don't cough up, you'll get pretty rude stares, so have a coin or two ready. It's one of the big mysteries in Parisian theatres but as they say "when in Rome..." That's so funny about the ushers. Thank you so much for the tour link (and everything else)- I see it doesn't book until Dec. though I looked at the pictures again- it doesn't look that big, but I do think I'll treat myself to a nice seat upfront for 90 eur. Do you have any tips for the Garnier? i'm thinking of maybe seeing an opera or a ballet there too (to complete the phantom trip ha) and I see they have tickets for 40 eur and under- have you ever been?
If you are interested you can do a good self-guided tour of Opera Garnier. It is a stunning theatre, so well worth spending time wandering around. You do get a chance to peer into the Phantom's box (not enter it!).
If you do want to go to a ballet or opera, tickets do go and booking in advance is advisable (earlier the better depending on how popular the show is), especially if you want to snap up the cheaper tickets. For example, it is already booking into December, but not yet for Christmas at the Bastille (the site covers both Garnier and Bastille).
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Post by ShoesForRent on Jun 25, 2016 17:37:34 GMT
Apparently a French actor Bastien Jacquemart is cast as Raoul: http://instagram.com/p/BHDHqZEhv0W Like I've actually found the money (a million extra shifts) to do this and fly to Paris for the preview week, my only worry is Sierra's schedule. I mean I won't complain seeing the alt. I just wish we had more info- there are very few tickets left for the first previews.. But in other news- I'm jumping up and down about 5 days in Paris- I've never been!! If anyone has any suggestions for the first week of October- please share!
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Post by musicallady on Jul 5, 2016 19:08:06 GMT
^ Yes on her weird accent. I guess it's her way of doing a classic period accent? My favorite Christine is Claire Moore. Gorgeous singing and extremely overlooked. I agree with you. My favourite was Maria Kesselman. I think she was something like 2nd understudy.
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Post by viserys on Jul 5, 2016 19:15:36 GMT
Bastien Jacquemart was in StarAcademy, a French casting show on TV and played Moritz in a French production of Spring Awakening. I'm sure he'll do a fine job as Raoul (but it's still not enough to get me to buy a ticket).
There's a rumour going around that Gardar Thor Cortes will leave Love Never Dies in Hamburg early to play the Phantom in Paris... Not sure if it holds water.
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Post by ShoesForRent on Jul 6, 2016 19:56:45 GMT
Just bought my tickets for the 5th and 6th of Oct. That's that second and third preview. Really excited!
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Post by viserys on Jul 6, 2016 20:03:52 GMT
Yea, "Le rôle du Fantôme sera joué par un... Islandais" means it'll be played by a Icelander. Thus Cortes probably unless one of the Icelandic footballers stayed behind in France and took up singing.
So utterly unexcited by all of this.
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Post by ShoesForRent on Jul 7, 2016 9:04:54 GMT
The full casting, minus the Phantom: On savait que Sierra Boggess serait Christine Daaé et que Bastien Jacquemart serait Raoul. Aujourd’hui, on sait qui seront leurs partenaires. Il s’agit d’Anne-Marine Suire (Christine Daaé à certaines représentations), Christine Tocci (Madame Giry), Serenad (Carlotta Guidicelli), Patricio Paxton (Ubaldo Piangi), Wim Van Den Driessche (Monsieur Firmin), Jacques Rebaldi (Monsieur André) et Emmanuelle Guelin (Meg Giry). (Anne Marine Suire- alt. Christine) (Manon Taris- u/s Christine) L’ensemble est constitué des artistes suivants : Edouard Akhmetshin Yoni Amar Robin Bailey Dounia Behna Louis-Héol Castel Pierre-Antoine Chaumien Maxime Cohen Loïc Consalvo Anne-Elisabeth Dubois David Eguren Romain Fructuoso Nahia Gil Laetitia Goepfert Laurent Herbaut Jonathan Kerr Florie Leclercq-Dory Lucie Louvrier Michela Mazzoni Eleonora Musumeci Elena Rakova Charlotte Ruby Irène Savary Asami Takahashi Manon Taris Claire-Elie Tenet Fabrice Todaro Gabriella Zanchi (Soure :http://www.regardencoulisse.com/la-distribution-quasi-complete-du-fantome-de-lopera-devoilee/) EDIT: from the look of the schedule they are only doing 7 shows a week. would that mean the Alt. would get 1 or 2 show I wonder. (I'm hoping to see Sierra and at least one of the girls) I'm curious viserys are you unexcited because he (Cortes) is not a good actor or because of their recycling from other productions?
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Post by viserys on Jul 7, 2016 9:35:12 GMT
It's a mix of everything really. In my dreams I had always envisioned Cam Mack to rent the actual Palais Garnier for a short Paris run and a completely fresh design. But even in a "normal" theatre I would long for a fresh version. I really loved the original version way back then - I first saw Phantom in 1990 and then several more times through the 90's until my interest petered out and I stopped travelling to see carbon copies of shows I knew well and returning to see the same shows another time. When the movie came out, it felt like such a fresh breath to see the songs in a different and more opulent staging. When I then saw the original version again (on freebies) it suddenly seemed so dated and tired and dull. Take Miss Saigon for example - my personal misgivings about the show aside - when it came to London again, it was a completely fresh design, different from the original version (which I had also seen a couple of times in various places in the 90s) and that WAS interesting. So... when Phantom was announced for Paris, done by Stage Entertainment, the Kings of Musical-McDonaldisation in Europe, I just knew it would be the exact tired old carbon copy of the original AGAIN. So I was already meh about it. I did consider adding it to my Paris trip in early December to see the "Notre Dame de Paris"-Revival, but then the prices put me off as well. Notre Dame de Paris and other fresh French shows all charged around 60-65 EUR for very good seats whereas Phantom is around 90 EUR. So - nope. The casting was just the last nail in the coffin. If they had cast a well-known French performer as the Phantom, I might have been swayed. Instead we get an Icelander and an American who will sing French parrot-fashion in a city full of amazing local talent. Bastien Jacquemart may be interesting, but in wig and costume he'll just look like any cookie-cutter Raoul of the last 30 years, so I'll be happy to wait until a clip of "All I ask of you" turns up on youtube and catch him when he does another show some time (maybe). I don't MIND Cortes. In fact I was excited when he was cast for Love Never Dies in Hamburg as he was at least a step-up from the usual cheap foreign nobodies cast in leading roles despite not being able to sing a single line in comprehensible German. I was actually eager to see him on stage. But with Stage Entertainment's ludicrous casting policies with first casts, alternates, second and third understudies and what not, the gamble to not see him on stage was way too big to risk. Especially since Hamburg would require an overnight stay for me, so with train, hotel, etc. the costs pile up - and then I rather spend the money on a weekend in London. I think he'll be a doing a good job as the Phantom in Part I, too. I guess I'm just disappointed that they didn't hire French people for the two leads. With a recycled Phantom and Christine from other productions and the stale old designs of the original production, there's just nothing whatsoever that makes me want to part with a lot of money to see this live. Paris, the "home" of the Phantom, simply deserved better. Sorry, loooong rant but you asked
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Post by ShoesForRent on Jul 7, 2016 10:23:38 GMT
No, that's really interesting- thank you! I wasn't alive for the earlier portion of the Phantom run (youngster here). Only got to see the show live first in 2007, as a 12 year old. So I'm probably not old enough to have gotten tired of it yet, nor have i seen it too many times since (about 4 times in total, all in London, all relativley boring casts though)
It's the show that turned me on to musical theatre- so it holds a dear place in my heart. It's the one show that every few months I'll hear it, and remmember why I've fallen for it. No it's not the best/ smartest/ most interesting theatre piece I've ever seen, but it's my favourite, even if for nostalgia alone.
I've never seen Sierra, other than the dvd- but she's sweet and has a voice I really enjoy, odd vowels and all, so I'm looking forward to seeing her live. And i don't speak any French- so even if theirs is really bad I doubt I'll notice lol.
And October is the only time I can travel for the next forsaeeble future what with Uni starting. And flying to London was considerebly more expensive than Paris, plus I've never been. So it made sense.
But I totally understand all your reasonings. I think it will be a long time before another completely new (not just watered down) version of Phantom is seen- simply because the original is working for them. Revivals are about taking the source material and renewing it in an exciting way. Unfortunatly in that sense- Phantom isn't really closing ha! I do hope it does happen eventually. That ALW or Mckintosh decide it's time to try something new.
And your Paris trip sounds exciting! with Hunchback and 42nd street. I wish i could travel around that time to see them too!
(Also i think it would be SUCH a wasted opportunity if they don't do their photo shoots at the Garnier in costume for the advertisment)
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